Leaky 87 GN Transmission

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by 2manybuicks, Jun 15, 2019.

  1. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    Had the car in the shop last week. Mechanic says the tranny is leaking, probably near the pump, but seems to stabilize at about a quart low.

    Tranny has 350,000 miles and 32 years on it without anything but a couple fluid changes. Still seems to shift and behave just fine.

    Bought the car new, engine is stock and I truly rarely really get on it.

    Am I asking for trouble or doing any damage driving it as is, i.e. always a quart low?
     
  2. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    If the leak stops there. Look at any gasket or seal that is just above that level..........a at low on some trans is a bigger deal than other, might think about a deep pan so you can have the full volume of fluid but keep it below the leaky level.
     
  3. steve covington

    steve covington Well-Known Member

    Check the seal on the shifter to the detent sector inside the transmission. A simple seal that is kind of a PITA to change. Driver side (DUH). Also a PITA to drop the trans to change the front seal as well.
     
  4. gstewart

    gstewart Well-Known Member

    At 350k miles, it is time to refresh that tranny. It owes u nothing. Most trannies are lucky to ever run 100k, let alone 350k.
     
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  5. TexasT

    TexasT Texas, where are you from

    Can the general area of the leak not be seen? The dipstick tube has a little rubber "tophat" seal that has probably hardened up. When the car sits, the torque converter runs it's fluid back into the pan and it leaks out somewhere.
    I wouldn't drive it low. I run mine a quart over full to prevent it from uncovering the pickup. Especially important with the stock filter as it picks up on top.
     
  6. TexasT

    TexasT Texas, where are you from

    Double post
     
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2019
  7. Donuts & Peelouts

    Donuts & Peelouts Life's 2 Short. Live like it.

    How about those florescent dies, that helped me out for a engine leak.
     
  8. TexasT

    TexasT Texas, where are you from

    I'd just clean it off and fling some baby powder up there and see what I could see.
     
  9. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Yeah no need to rebuild. Figure out the leak and move on.
     
  10. turbotimmer

    turbotimmer Well-Known Member

    ^^^ what he said. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Fix the leak and run it. These trannies get a bad wrap, but they were very strong from the factory. I went mid 11s on mine before it started to flare between gears.
     
  11. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    K. Gonna check it out Monday.
     
  12. yachtsmanbill

    yachtsmanbill Well-Known Member

    X2 on the fluorescent dye...

    A QUART LOW??? Im surprised it would move. Thats just about off the stick. Between low and add is about a pint. Probably a bad control O rings, as in shifter, or governor etc. BTW... overfilling could cause a foaming condition unless the pan is just deeper... ws
     
  13. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    Alas, even though I have kept an eye on the fluids recently, reverse started to go on Friday, and I lost reverse completely on Monday. I had to push it out of the driveway this morning, but at least I could drive it to a transmission shop. Hopefully the rebuild is good for another 32-year / 350k miles, but I kinda doubt it...
     
  14. turbotimmer

    turbotimmer Well-Known Member

    Hopefully they get it right, but there’s only a couple of guys in the country I trust to rebuild a 2004r.
     
  15. regal81455

    regal81455 Well-Known Member

    Vince Janis, Lonnie Dyer, Chris Kokinos, & the REAL Art Carr -- am I right? Do I win the bozo button? :)
     
  16. turbotimmer

    turbotimmer Well-Known Member

    Vince or Lonnie. I have 3 of Vince’s transmissions. One has been in the high 9s in a full weight street car.
     
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  17. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    well, mine is a close-as-possible to stock daily driver that doesn't get stomped on, and I can't afford to send the transmission off for four weeks and bike everywhere in the meantime.

    Mechanic friend recommended a local hole-in-the-wall shop, so I took it there and will have it back tomorrow.

    Time will tell.
     
  18. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    There is no voodoo in a 2004r. I've had a few rebuilt by local guys with great results. They came in a lot more cars than just the GN..
     
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  19. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    Unlike some guys who drool over this kinda stuff, Vince Janis lost me at "billet".
    That word shares too many letters with "wallet".:p
     
  20. TexasT

    TexasT Texas, where are you from

    A $350-400 billet shaft forward drum is a pretty good way to spend some coin to avoid park and six neutrals. As long as your shop knows to set it up "tight" and can get the parts to do it and knows how to set up the direct clutch and band, you should be fine.
    Yes, lots of cars came with a 2004r but the vb/gov in the "lesser" units can make for a problem getting the thing to shift where you want in a performance application. Not saying it cant be done but a trans fluid bath(s) is included in that activity.
     
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