how does cam advance relate to idle quality?

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by sixtynine462, Mar 5, 2004.

  1. sixtynine462

    sixtynine462 Guest

    I was just wondering... do you gain or lose smoothness of idle by advancing the cam?
     
  2. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    More advance, better idle quality. Comes from closing the intake valve sooner.

    JW
     
  3. sixtynine462

    sixtynine462 Guest

    Thanks, Jim. Why do cams with a wider lobe seperation idle better than those with a narrow lobe seperation? I'm still trying to understand this area of cam selection a little better.
    In your opinion would a cam with a 116 degree seperation with 230/240 duration (TA288-96H) idle poorly when set straight up (intake on 116)?
     
  4. bobc455

    bobc455 Well-Known Member

    A wider LSA means that there is less overlap.

    Overlap is great for making high RPM power (sucks in a lot of air during the intake stroke), but at idle it can cause an inefficient combustion since part of the intake charge can go directly out the exhaust valve.
     
  5. nailheadina67

    nailheadina67 Official Nailheader


    This is an interesting topic...I just learned something.

    If I may ask a question, if retarded valve timing makes a rougher idle, what is to be gained by retarding valve timing?
     
  6. sixtynine462

    sixtynine462 Guest

    I would think more top end power. Correct?
     
  7. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    Using those numbers that cam has 3 deg of overlap @0.050" which means not very much overlap. That will have a good (not smooth, but not choppy either) idle.

    The explanation that I've heard as to how it effects idle is that it's the exhaust charge contaminating the intake charge; you get a good explosion sometimes and not others, making for an erratic idle.
     
  8. nailheadina67

    nailheadina67 Official Nailheader

    In the past I heard someone say something about a "scavenging effect".......is that somehow related to the valve overlap?
     
  9. KELLY SONNABEND

    KELLY SONNABEND Well-Known Member

    retarding your initial advance will help you start, to much advance at start up causes the moter to turn over slow, its real bad when the moter is hot. i think that why some guys have a hard time stating there cars when they run alot of advance on there big cams to get them to idle.
     
  10. KELLY SONNABEND

    KELLY SONNABEND Well-Known Member

    scavenging

    yes, it is what makes alot of top end power, but will kill your low end due to the lose of commpression at low rpms, that is why you need more commpression as your overlap increases, there is alot more to it, that just my 2 cents worth
     
  11. nailheadina67

    nailheadina67 Official Nailheader

    Ahhhhhh, so that's why race motors run so crappy at low speeds. I never really understood what caused that. :bglasses:
     

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