Help with 1970 Flint Build Sheet decode

I've got a 70 GS455 4-speed car that I need some help decoding the build sheet that I found on the gas tank pretty well preserved, although the paper is getting semi-transparent and can be a bit hard to read. It is pretty low optioned car - no console, manual steering, no tach but does have the rally clock. I think this shows a performance axle option, but not sure...thoughts from the experts?

 

Scott,
That is a Flint Production Order Body Final sheet

The first thing you need to do is verify the vin/body numbers are the correct ones to match your car. (They were hell on putting the wrong ones on the cars.)

If they are then I can decode this for you. I charge a whole $20.00 to decode them.

The codes on the sheet are called “manifest” codes and it only took me 17 years to figure out all the codes for the 70 sheets.

If you want to proceed with this, let me know and I can post the info I need to decode it.
Duane

 

Neat car (I like the low option ones). Like on my own low option '70 Stage 1 4-sp, I wonder if the gauges/rallye clock was a mistake on the order form or if whoever ordered the car (doubtful it was ordered for stock) intended to put a day 2 Sun Tach on the steering column.

I suspect at some point, I'm going to wind up having the non-consolette shift boots reproduced (I need two of them). Year One had them at one point & was considering making another run of them but as of now they're a discontinued repro part.

 

One thing,
On the sheet you posted it looks like all the codes along the bottom have been "washed out". I don't know if you can see them, but sometimes if you move the sheets around above a light you hit the right angle so you can see them.
Duane

PS. Doing a quick reading, it is an interesting car.

 

Hi Duane, thanks for the info and yes the sheet does match the car body number. I would like to have you decode this thing, so let me know what you need to do so. One thing as well that I don't see any characters on the last line of the sheet, but will take a closer look tonight. The car also has a hand written blue tag on the door jam as well.

Thanks!

 

I will post all the info I need tonight. I can’t get to it until I get home.

Yeah,
I could not see anything on the bottom. I have seen this before, where the weather etc, simply cleans the ink off.

Sometimes it takes using a single light in a darkened room to see them, and once we had to do that by also looking through the lamp shade before we could see them.

I will decode what is there and see what we get.
Duane

 

OK, I am editing this from one of my order forms.

What you will receive back for these sheets (Via Snail Mail) is a nice representation of the original Build Sheet that can be displayed at shows. In large Red letters across the middle of the sheet will be the word “REPRODUCTION” and a warning of the same at the bottom. On the reverse side will be a list of the codes along with the decoded information.


Here is the info I need to decode them,

Items NEEDED to be included with the order. (Via Snail Mail Only)

1. Full Name

2. Address

3. Phone # (With times to call, in case I need to ask a few questions.)

4. E-Mail Address (If applicable)

5. Paper copy (Not Original) of Original Build Sheet (Cleanest Untouched Paper Copy) (e-mail copies are often too hard to read) (Clean e-mail copies can be sent in addition to the paper copies if available.)

6. If needed a Second copy, with the codes “Inked in” to make them more legible.

7. Full Vehicle Identification Number

8. All information from the Fisher ID Plate on the firewall

9. Check made out to:


Duane Heckman
120 President Ave.
Rutledge, Pa. 19070

PS, You are definitely going to need a second paper copy with the codes inked in. Also, when you make the copies of the sheets don't scale them. Leave them full size so I can read them easier. Thanks.
Duane

 

Here is an example of the front page you will get back from me. All the codes and decoded information will be on the back.
Duane

 

Thanks Duane, I'll get this stuff in the mail to you. FYI, I looked again for any evidence of details on the last line without any luck, so I'll do my best to get you the cleanest copy. Thanks!

 

Make two copies,
Leave one completely alone and on the other write in the codes you think they are. I will know if they are right or not.

Brett,
I decode lots of different build sheets including,

Flint;
POBF
POCP (Production Order Chassis Paint)
The large Body Shop Inspection sheets
The small”Fisher Body Cheat Sheets” you find under the front seats.

GMAD
The large Broadcast sheets (Chevy Style Build Sheets. (Although I have not done one of these for years as it takes too long)
Framingham “thirds” (As I call them.)
The Fremont “Fisher Body Cheat sheets” (They are bigger then the Flint ones, with more info.)

IBM 80 column punch cards (Buick location cards)

I also did some for Sloan. There were certain late 72 decodes they had wrong. Buick changed the Wholesale Car Order forms and Sloan didn’t pick up on that. Once I sent them the correct forms, all their decodes were good again.

I can also do this for Wayne’s info but what’s the point. It won’t give you any additional info, other then possibly the name of the dealership that originally sold the car.

but I do have a decode or two of 70 GSX’s off the original microfilm before Wayne got it.

I think they were read off the microfilm in the mid-late 80’s. And I have a copy of that partial page of microfilm as well.

and I do decodes of the Canadian info as well.


I may do more then that, I have that info all written down on my order form.
Duane

 

There is another point I want to make here. I decode only original Build Sheets, or from Factory info, including the microfilm.

I will not make up one for a car, so don’t even ask.
Duane

 

Can you clarify since you said you "can" do this for info from Wayne but then above said you decode "only" original build sheets. "Can" & "will" are two different things.

Personally (& I assume for @Brett Slater), I'd be happy with one that had the "reproduction" disclaimers if you'd do that from Wayne/Sloan info. & if made exactly as the car was built.

 

Dano,
There is only Black and White in my world. People tell me there is a fine line of gray between the two, but I have never seen it.

Let me clarify,

If you send me a POBF, then you will get one of my “versions” of that sheet back.

If you send me a POCP, you get the same thing back.

If you send me the Canadian info, or the Sloan info, or the Wayne Roberts info, (all off Factory microfilm) then you will get back a list showing all the codes and how they decode. Including the dealer info if I have it.


What I will not do is use someone else’s info to “create” a POBF, POCP, or any other type of buildsheet.


If you see one of my decodes at some car show, you will know I did it off an original build sheet.

Now are we clear with all of this, as in crystal?
Duane

 

Brett,
Sometimes on Flint cars, and I mean rarely, you will find sheets stuffed up inside the bucket seat tops, or under the front carpet, and Brad found his build sheet for the Black GSX stuck between the plastic dash ducting and the firewall.

The Wayne Roberts info is all you need to verify the car. Until he got the microfilm the only way to prove a car by paperwork was thru my decodes, or getting it thru GM of Canada, if you were lucky enough to have your car shipped there first.
Duane

 

Thanks. I completely understand.