H.P. Calculation

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by slow riviera, Aug 27, 2004.

  1. slow riviera

    slow riviera Active Member

    Does anyone have a program that calculates how much hp it would take to get a '71 Riv GS w/ a 3:42 posi, 4300-4400lbs.,230lb driver. down the quarter in low 13's or high 12's. I am looking for an honest idea of what it would take to outrun most stock Mustangs and Camaros. Or does anyone have a Boattail that runs at least 100mph in the quarter. Thank you...Soren
     
  2. 70 gsconvt

    70 gsconvt Silver Level contributor

    Using several online HP calculators, with a weight of 4550 lbs. and an ET of 12.9, it would require @425 rear wheel HP, or @500 flywheel HP to get that tank moving into the 12's.
     
  3. RagTop69GS

    RagTop69GS Cruzin Motown ~Top Down

    While we're on the subject is ther a program or formula to estimate HP & Torque of a given BBB buildup?
     
  4. 70 gsconvt

    70 gsconvt Silver Level contributor

    Desktop Dyno. If you give me complete engine specs, I could punch it up.
     
  5. nailheadina67

    nailheadina67 Official Nailheader

    Hey Phil, just out of curiousity..........on that same car...........assuming 220 HP at the rear wheels what would the 1/4 mile time come out to be on that calculator? :Brow:
     
  6. slow riviera

    slow riviera Active Member

    Phillip, Thank you for the info...that certainly would require a stout motor; but it is do able....Soren
     
  7. 70 gsconvt

    70 gsconvt Silver Level contributor

    For a Riv putting 220 HP to the rear wheels, they come up with 15.94
     
  8. nailheadina67

    nailheadina67 Official Nailheader

    :ball: I was hoping I had a 14 second car.:Dou:
     
  9. 70 gsconvt

    70 gsconvt Silver Level contributor

    No problem, just shed about 1000 lbs......or get a 100 HP nitrous shot. They make a sneaky pete system that slips right over a carb stud and is totally hidden.
     
  10. nailheadina67

    nailheadina67 Official Nailheader

    I've got cast pistons. :Dou:
     
  11. 70 gsconvt

    70 gsconvt Silver Level contributor

    No problem, explain to the wife how you NEED aluminum pistons to lighten the car up a bit.
     
  12. RagTop69GS

    RagTop69GS Cruzin Motown ~Top Down

    70 gsconvt,

    What info would you need for the Desktop Dyno calculations?

    Here is what I know of my engine

    455 bored 30 over = 462cid
    10.5:1 pistons (notched)
    71cc iron heads with standard valves (lightly milled to clean up surface)
    GS113 cam
    S-Divider intake (port matched) 1" milled from divider
    Q-Jet (jetting unknown) Told it was set up for this engine
    cast iron exhaust manifolds
    2 1/4" Dual exhaust with super Turbo mufflers
    Th400 trans with HD rebuild & shift kit
    2800 stall converter
    3.55 posi rear gear

    If you need anything more specific let me know.

    Thanks
     
  13. 70 gsconvt

    70 gsconvt Silver Level contributor

    OK, assuming your compression ratio is a true 10.5 to 1, your combo comes out to 348 HP at 5000 rpm's and 413 TQ at 4000 rpm.

    Bear in mind that Desktop dyno is NOT Buick head user friendly. Without flow numbers on the heads, I just used the "Wedge head with stock valves and light porting" value.

    Because you milled down the divider, you are essentially creating a single plane at the top end, and HP climbs to 367 at 5000 rpm.

    And remember the old 350 HP ratings from 1970 are the old gross ratings of the engine and absolutely nothing else, not even a water pump if I remember right.
     
  14. RagTop69GS

    RagTop69GS Cruzin Motown ~Top Down

    Looking at the numbers that the program comes up with makes me think that I would have been better off keeping my bone stock 69' 400cid engine since it had close to the same #'s
    :Do No:
    All the effort and $$$ to build and install this new engine were wasted :ball: :Dou: :spank:

    I guess Poston's claim of 40 Hp from the cam are BS

    I may have to look at upgrading my 69' heads to stage1 specs and do some porting to them.

    What would a set of headers do for the combo? Different carb,intake ?
     
  15. 70 gsconvt

    70 gsconvt Silver Level contributor

    Changing to Stage 1 valves and porting with a single plane intake takes it to 410 HP at 5500 rpmand 430 TQ at 4500 rpm.
     
  16. BP_Motorworks

    BP_Motorworks Ragtop Racer

    http://www.campbellenterprises.com/Race math calculators.htm

    This is where I go for this stuff. Keep in mind this is an estimate. Some maybe more or less. My buddy has a 1900 lbs camero that runs 4.70's in the eight mile and his is way off. He is making a lot less HP then what HP calculator says he needs to make.

    Here is also some more info:

    Speed is for quarter mile only.

    Speed 1/4 ET 1/8 ET Optimum 60 foot

    109.5 12.00 7.64 1.61
    112.2 11.75 7.47 1.58
    115 11.50 7.30 1.55
    118 11.25 7.14 1.52
    121 11.00 6.98 1.49
    123.5 10.75 6.81 1.46
    126 10.50 6.65 1.43
    130.2 10.25 6.49 1.40
    134.5 10.00 6.33 1.37
    138.1 9.75 6.17 1.34
    141.6 9.50 6.01 1.31
    146.8 9.25 5.85 1.28
    151.2 9.00 5.69 1.25
    156.0 8.75 5.53 1.22
    160.8 8.50 5.37 1.19
    165.6 8.25 5.21 1.16
    170.4 8.00 5.05 1.13
    176.4 7.75 4.90 1.10
    182.4 7.50 4.74 1.07
    188.7 7.25 4.59 1.04
    195.1 7.00 4.43 1.01
    203.7 6.75 4.27 0.98
    212.3 6.50 4.12 0.95
    220.9 6.25 3.96 0.92
    230.0 6.00 3.81 0.89
    243.7 5.75 3.66 0.86
    257.4 5.50 3.49 0.83
     
  17. Craig Balzer

    Craig Balzer Well-Known Member

Share This Page