Gore supporters, please do not read this, you'll just get mad

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At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in the year 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinborough) had this to say about "The Fall of The Athenian Republic" some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the most recent Presidential election:

Population of counties won by:
Gore = 127 million
Bush = 143 million

Square miles of land won by:
Gore = 580,000
Bush = 2,2427,000

States won by:
Gore = 20
Bush = 30

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore = 13.2
Bush = 2.1

Professor Olson adds:

"In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off government welfare . . ."

Olson believes the U.S. is now somewhere between the "apathy" and "complacency" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

 

Mark, I hope you realize your subject line is probably like an invitation to Gore supporters to come read this!

Very interesting statistics, I must say.

 

That was my disclaimer bro'! They were warned.

Oh well.........flame away, I can take it!:laugh:

 

No flames from me, I supported, and continue to support GW, well, 99%...

 

I totally disagree with this illegal alien thing. But not enough to vote him out.

 

Before I start, first I'll say I am a Bush supporter, always was always will be. This illegal alien bill, hate to say it is just a political paper tiger for liberal and minority votes or/and to steal the thunder from the other political side. And more power to the Bush camp, because they thought of it first.

You see think about it, your a contractor that always picks up a few illegals for help. Do you think for one minute all 100 percent of contractors doing this are going to abide by this and register them thus paying taxes out of the monies earned on each job, netting less? After all, in the past the US did not have the resources to go after every person that hires an illegal, let alone the illegals themselves. What makes you think things are any different. Another words this bill is like being on the honor system.

As far as the very few percentage wise that will abide by the law, well it may actually give someone from another country to start off clean in the U.S.

Another way at looking at the illegal alien problem is that it is a way that we the U.S. is supplying aid to third world Nations without actually losing more jobs in the form of companies to foreign lands. The illegals send home millions on top of millions of US dollars back to their country, which in turns help their economy. Sort of a blind eye on economic support.

Plus I must say I too am a frustrated person when you cannot find any English speaking persons at any large chain store, or fast food joint. But we, us are the cause, because we spoil our own children that working in McDonalds etc is lowly and cheap. My own nephews in their mid teens would NEVER consider working in place like that, why? Because Mommy and Daddy say, "Don't worry, here's a twenty and a card to gas up the Beamer go play (another words get out of my hair) go to the "mall" oh and don't forget your cell phone. The kids get spoiled and working for $8 bucks an hours is garbage to them. They rather not work at all because Mom & Dad support them.
So who fills those jobs, illegals and green card foreigners. Don't get me wrong its not a bad thing that they find work and the fact that they want to work.

Sorry for the rant, but one factor I do with my children, 11 & 9 is to teach them responsibility, respect and earn your keep. No I don't slave them and yes I still buy them things, but I always have them doing things around the house to earn money. I teach them to save half the other half they can do what they wish.

So getting back to this illegal aliens thing. Yes I am totally in support of sending everyone of the illegals back, not legals but the illegal ones, but in the real world it just cannot happen. There will be a huge hole in our economy with unskilled jobs that just will not get filled. Companies would have to pay higher wages for the same jobs to get people to work. Would you pay $10 buck for a Big Mac? Or have your lawn taken care of for triple the cost of it now. (Don't know how much, I do my own yard work with my kids)

So on keeping things status quo in an election year, this bill basically says a lot of stuff but has very little teeth behind it when you realistically look at it. I see it as a political tactic, which again I will say if a Democrat was in office they would have done something on the same idea.

On the humorous side of things with this huge illegal problem, maybe it's Mexico taking a page from our early history and taking back California and the rest of the lands we aquired grin: History will tell you that Mexico wanted foreign settlers into their land known as Texas. Once settled they grew in numbers formed and group together and wanted to separate from Mexico, and not even to join the U.S. It was to be a separate country of Texas or some sort of that (you history buffs can correct me or add to this if I'm wrong) It was when Mexico went in to wipe them out, hence the Alamo, that they enlisted the aid and protection of the US thus eventually becoming a state. Maybe it's Mexico's secret plan...:laugh: to get the land back:laugh: :laugh:

Anyway hope I didn't put you guys to sleep.
Rick

 

I for one have ABSOLUTELY no objection to letting Mexico have California back. Let's keep Texas though, (and maybe Arnold.) :grin:

 

:laugh:

:beer

 

Alright...now you're talking crazy!!:Brow: :grin:

SoCal is a great place...to visit!!:Brow: :laugh:

Hopefully, one of these days - they can get things fixed, so it will be a great place to live too!!

Beautiful scenery, warm weather, tons of stuff to do, meet alot of great people......but, crazy politics and business conditions.

Mark - Interesting facts!!:bglasses:

Rick - Well said on the whole illegal situation!!:TU: :TU: It's a real 'touchy' subject that hopefully, can be rectified to benefit the most amount of people.

 

I don't think I really have a big problem with illegals that come here and WORK. It's the criminals, unemployed....etc that I have problems with. The only thing I don't like about the working illegals, is they send a lot of there money back home to be spent there, instead of here in the US.

 

Huh? What'd I Miss ?

Is Gore running for something?

Dana.

 

Re: Huh? What'd I Miss ?

Not now. He got beat. We'll see what the democrats throw out there now.

 

It was the Republic of Texas. And oddly enough is the only state the can still legally secede from the U.S. to this day because it was an independent Republic that won it's independence from a soverien country which was Mexico. It was never a property or territory or state belonging to or purchased by the U.S. . Oddly enough, it is also is probably the only state that was illegally seceded from the U.S. Governor Sam Houston opposed the confederacy and was kidnapped and jailed for refusing to sign an oath to the confederacy. The confederates installed a replacement who signed and placed Texas into the confederacy.

Gore couldn't even win his own state. For this reason alone he did not deserve to be president. If he had won Tennessee he would have been president.

 

Gore

Oh, and by the way.

Clinton's lie=soiled blue dress.

Bush's Lie= 60 Billion dollars and hundreds of dead and still threatened troops.

You asked for a comment.

 

I guess Carl didn't read the disclaimer in the title of this thread!

What the hell does the Republic of Texas have to do with anything, anyway?

 

i think this is what carl was replying to...

pete

 

You can thank me and the good citizens of TENNESSEE for that:TU:

Ronnie

 

I'll proudly do my part in voting Bush out of office. :laugh: :beer

 

I thought you CA guys just got rid of one liberal!!:Brow: :grin: Now you want another?!?ou: :laugh: