another late model ford recall http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/ford-tells-89-000-escape-fusion-owners-park-230316605.html they dont make em like they used to....so far as i know they havent recalled my 72 yet
http://www.autorecalls.org/1972/BUICK.shtml and http://www.autorecalls.org/1971/BUICK.shtml and http://www.autorecalls.org/1970/BUICK.shtml
cool,they had my lark fixed by 72. it said it had speed control issues in 71,guess they fixed that when they took all that hp out of the 350 in 72
They all wind up having issues from time to time. They ship out millions of products and are trying to innovate all the time. The only question is how they deal with the problems.
not sure i would go with scion myself, as toyota is the parent corp and scion is their bottom brand and a fledgling at that,and toyota has been the worst company as far as recalls were concerned in the past few years and thats within their flagship range. only model scion i can think of that may be decent(not just because its rear wheel drive)is the scion frs and only because it was codesigned by subaru(brz in subarus lineup....bit stiffer suspension than the frs but more $)and has a sub' boxer 4 powerplant. also didnt recall scion releasing a truck.....and given your ..uh...ringing endorsement,you wouldn't happen to work for sandy springs scion atlanta ga would you?
100% with you on this. My thinking is about the new car/truck we'll buy next time. I feel I'm buying the Service Manager/Dealer & how they will deal with the issues.
The Chevy Volt fires changed the whole picture on recalls after the government sat on the problem for so long before alerting the public. Now they notify quickly even if not ready to permanently fix the problem. I've had 2 recalls on my 2002 Escape V6 this year, in each case they had us bring in the vehicle for a temporary fix until they got the parts to fix completely. First one was last winter and they said to not park the vehicle inside and it took 5 months before they could fix it right. In the meantime, some critters got underhood and chewed up the aircleaner and some wiring.
cool,they pulled the spammers post. glad advertising for a scion dealership on a buick forum isnt kosher. especially when you get your facts wrong on the products offered. What new domestic cars would anyone here reccomend or are looking forward to seeing comeout?
well lets put it this way, which would you rather have a skylark from 1970 or 1990? a powerful rear wheel drive machine with well crafted sheet metal,or a generic ff econobox that drives like anything else on the road?
I recall a post from PaulsGS, where he was recounting his experience working at Framingham back in the day when our cars were being built. He said half the people he worked with were stoned, the other half were drunk. And the old saying "dont buy a car on a Monday or a Friday" was true because everyone showed up with a hangover on Monday and rushed to leave on a Friday. Quality was definitely not job 1 at GM in the early 70's. Frankly, I dont think it was job 20! GM wanted 60 cars a day out the door, they didnt care what they looked like. The fit and finish was horrible compared to cars of today. We all have a very romantic opinion of our cars. The sad fact is that my wife's new Boss 302 will dessimate my 70 Stage 1 in a drag race. And by a full second at least! She can get 20 mpg with the air on, and can do 90 on the highway taching only 2k rpm. My 1970 dinosaur can do a mid 13 on the quarter, maybe get 12 mpg and Im the guy in the right lane doing 50 mph spinning my big block at 3200 rpm sweating by b****s off in 90 degree heat. But......I wouldnt have it any other way. :grin: GM built some real garbage in the mid 70's. They've gotten better. The current crop of new muscle cars is unbelievable. Would I rather have a 1990 skylark? No way! Would I like to have a new ZL-1 Camaro? Or a Challenger SRT8? oooohhh pleeeeze!!ray: Would I get rid of my old Buick for them? Nah!
the mustang your talking about is an over 35000 dollar car(and one that in a lot of instances is exhibiting computer throttle management and fuel mapping issues) and yeah is a fine machine when it works. a buddy just picked up a gt in what i thinks color was called"got to have it green" a few less horse than the boss,but with economy mode turned off is a extremely capable platform. but if you were to put 35,000grand into your old car how fast would it be? and do you think theres a reason the new crop of "muscle cars" which have sold so well, are all built to resemble the old ones? because i think the fit and finish of old cars far outpaces imitation alloy panels and molded plastic and fiberglass of todays cars which if built from a purely practical standpoint,would look like they did in the 80s also yeah they may have been drunk,but how many people do you know that have a six pack while they wrench on their old car. at least that sounds safer than someone who is a closet meth or crack addict overseeing installation of computer micromanaged components.
It's true that the cars of the '60's and '70's had issues and that a car today will outlast the cars of that age without engine overhauls and more. It's also true that the cars of the earlier days have heart and soul. The modern mustang and camaro are faster and they will last longer ( other than the inevitable issues with the electronics, computer controlled devices don't last 50 years ). It's also true that to sell these new cars they have to try and make them look like the same car did back in it's prime. I will still take my vintage cars. For all that they are lacking, they give so much more in return.
I like the new family car we have; AWD; 365 horsepower; 13 inch brakes to bring it from 60 to zero in 106 feet; 11 air bags or some crazy number thereof. It's a hugely better car than my GS and has plenty of heart, soul and growl. I'm also glad they don't build them like they used to.
OK! I'm going to try and stay calm, but it irks me every time I see a recall announced in the media and then someone on an automotive forum has to do the "See I Told You So....... and that's why I'm smarter, better looking, et al." So here are a few FACTS about recalls. 1) A recall is different that a bulletin. Don't get them confused. 2) The NHTSA and other federal goverment agencies have the power to force a recall or simply strongly suggest that it be done. 3) Once the word "Recall" is connected to a vehicle problem there is a cascade of requirements that must be followed by the manufacturer. 4) The first among those requirements is that the PUBLIC be notified within ??? If you really want to know the exact number of hours you can read chapter 21 in the regulations to find it. As a general rule it is in a range of 24-72 hours. 5) Does the issuing of a recall in any way imply that there is a solution to the problem- NO! It only means that the manufacturer and the government agree that there is a SAFETY problem with a vehicle. 6) Will there be a lag time to affect a solution to a recall issue- yes. How long depends on all sorts of supply chain, engineering, and legal issues. 7) What is the responsibility of the owner of a recalled vehicle- NOTHING. You as the owner can ignore it if you choose. Caveat Emptor. I do not know of any wehicle manufacturer that has not had a recall on one of it's models- NONE. And that dates from 1966 forward. I could wax poetic about what Carroll Shelby said about what stopped the Cobra from being totally redesigned in 1966 but you all can read tha too if you want. As a reference to any recall on any product that has some sort of oversight by the government you can go to the www.recalls.gov website and spend hours searchin and wondering and worrying OR ignore most of it and sleep a few hours before you so something else. I'm done now:Smarty:
