Exhaust manifold leak

Discussion in ''Da Nailhead' started by RJBT, Oct 22, 2012.

  1. RJBT

    RJBT Well-Known Member

    I have a exhaust manifold leak on one side of my engine (can hear it).
    I decided to take the manifolds off to:
    • Sandblast
    • Metalize
    • Port (how?)
    I have several questions. I would like to sand/plane the surface of the manifold to a true "flat plane"to make sure there are no leaks when i set the manifold back. But it seems that the exhaust ports are not all on the same plane (see pic). Am i wrong ? or should i assume that i can just sand the manifolds on a true flat surface to make sure they fit on the block perfectly ?

    Other question how do i match the ports ? If i put the manifold on the engine i have no access or visual access to the matching of the ports ! How do you guys do it without removing the head ?

    Last question: On the passenger side the manifold has two holes (see pic). One has a brass nipple. I assume this is for the heat tube going to the carb (I have a tube but its aftermarket and hooks up to a box tied to the manifold). There is also a small hole in the center of the manifold. What is that for ? Should I close it off ? Should I also block the brass nipple outlet ?

    Roland
     

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  2. RJBT

    RJBT Well-Known Member

    By the way i plan to eliminate the exhaust valve thingy that is stuck (passenger side). I assume I can just cut it out and close off the 2 holes left by the shaft.
     
  3. jmos4

    jmos4 Well-Known Member

    Hi,

    To get the manifold leak free you might be able to clean off any gasket material and then put a light coat (like a smear of your finger) of high heat copper silicone (its designed for exhaust manifolds) on the mating surfaces, or you can go the exhaust manifold gasket route ,but I have had success with just the high heat copper silicone and is cheaper and more available than waiting on gaskets to get shipped (as from the factory they did not have gaskets just metal to metal)

    either route make sure you get any old manifold gasket material removed.

    Regards,
     
  4. RJBT

    RJBT Well-Known Member

    Thanks
    How tight should I torque the bolts down ?
    i have new stainless steel bolts (part of a kit I used). Should I use them or stick to the steel stuff that was on the car ?
     
  5. dsags

    dsags Well-Known Member

  6. wilber

    wilber Well-Known Member

    Take it to a good machine shop they will true it up real easy.

    W
     
  7. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    Planed by a machine shop instead of gaskets or goo.

    Keep in mind that virtually all stainless steel bolts are about as strong as hardened peanut butter. About the same as "Grade 2" hardware store junk. If the bolts seem to be loosening all the time, I'd pull one out for inspection--I bet it's necked-down from stretching.
     
  8. doc

    doc Well-Known Member

    You can either have a machine shop resurface them for you or do like I do,,, I have a BIG flat file that i use and then check them in the middle with a straight edge....untill I get them flat.....
    then sandblast them and then port match them and the heads,,,,by taking a set of exhaust manifold gaskets and using the gaskets as a template to outline the ports on the heads and the manifolds.... then grind the ports to the scribed lines,,, next drive a nail into the wall and hang the gaskets on the nail for use the next time....DONT PUT THEM ON YOUR ENGINE...:Brow: next, chase the threads in the heads and buff the bolts and coat the the bolt threads with anti seize compound.... reinstall the manifolds after,, you coat them with what ever coating you want on them....
    When you install the manifolds ,,get all the bolts started ,, then,, tighten them by hand, starting in the middle and working to both ends... tork them the same way... middle to both ends.....WITHOUT GASKETS,,,,and ,,, if you did it all right , you will have zero exhaust leaks....:Brow:
     
  9. RJBT

    RJBT Well-Known Member

    Merci beaucoup Doc !!!!
    Do I need to do anything on the mating surface head wise ?
     
  10. wilber

    wilber Well-Known Member

  11. doc

    doc Well-Known Member

    No,,,, RJ,,,, the heads are big enough that they do not warp with time and usage...besides the water jackets keep them cool.....Just clean them good before you put the manifolds back on..... the exhaust manifold gaskets are directional,, so be sure you have them lined up the same way before you start marking and cutting......
     
  12. 421-6speed

    421-6speed Well-Known Member

    Excellent advice...:gp:
     
  13. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    X2 - I am always suprised when folks buy a stainless kit off ebay and wonder why the bolts break. Of course it always depends on what you are buying. ARP sells grade 8 SS bolts: "A face centered cubic arrangement of atoms Stainless Steel 300 series is not heat-treatable. But heavy reduction (power dumping), in the cross section, during forging causes a dramatic increase in strength. This is the process ARP uses to make 304 Stainless Steel reach 170,000 psi UTS."

    - Bill
     
  14. wkillgs

    wkillgs Gold Level Contributor

    The tube in the exhaust manifold supplies hot air to the choke. The choke has a vacuum passage in it, so it pulls air thru the tube from the exhaust manifold. The other end of the exhaust manifold tube (in the rear) should be connected via another steel tube that goes to the very top of the carb....that ensures that only clean, filtered air gets heated and passed to the choke.
     
  15. RJBT

    RJBT Well-Known Member

    Hum...... i'm a little confused. Not sure I quite understand everything.
    Here are two pics with some questions on it.
    IMG_3284small - Copie.jpg
    IMG_3301small - Copie.jpg I assume the brass nipple should connect directly to the choke air tube. But then it will in time clog it up with exhaust dust and stuff I assume. So are you saying a first tube goes from the brass nipple to somewhere and then a second tube goes to the choke on the carb ? How are they linked ?
    Is my set up (with tin box held on manifold) stock or an aftermarket add on ?
     
  16. doc

    doc Well-Known Member

    from the factory , there was a tube in the manifold and a smaller tube inside of that tube....the smaller tube goes up to the carb choke nipple......
     
  17. RJBT

    RJBT Well-Known Member

    OK I get it.
    Well i'll stick to my set up.
    Should I block off the two holes in my manifold then ?
     
  18. doc

    doc Well-Known Member

    Dang, guy,,, it aint that hard to fix... and it will improve the way the car runs.....
     
  19. 69GS400s

    69GS400s ...my own amusement ride!


    What a UTS you ask ?

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    Sorry --- just a bit of humor I couldn't resist. Carry on :Dou:
     
  20. wkillgs

    wkillgs Gold Level Contributor


    The tube in the exhaust manifold.... it goes THROUGH the manifold, it will not have exhaust gas in it. It's purpose is for clean air to enter the rear of the tube, get heated by exhaust AROUND the tube, and supply that heated air to the choke on the carb.
    The housing/cover on your manifold looks like an aftermarket repair kit. It'll work, but it may suck in some dirt which will find it's way to the vacuum passage in the carbs choke housing, and clog it. The original design would draw filtered air in from the tube connected at the top of the carb.
    If you have a Buick Chassis manual, it may have some pictures.
     

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