There is lot more information about each of us available to everyone than we would like to think. About the black boxes, the auto makers have been installing them with the primary intentions to repute claims of faulty equipment that may lead to serious injury or death. GM has used these much like Derek said Toyota did to prove that their vehicle was not the cause of the accident but driver error was. They do hold quite abit of information and a recent court case about police officers use of police cars has drawn some attention in this area. The officers claim invasion of privacy but the dept says they are only monitoring their property. As much as I hate the thought of someone 'watching' me, reality is that if you don't give them anything to watch you for, they won't. All this concern about cars and nearly everyone is carrying cell phones that give locations. I could get some of you paranoid types going with the feasible abilities of onstar equipped vehicles.....
The future is going to be RFID chips in everything. Driver licenses and passports are next.In the near future ,you can be tracked if you have your license on you. A proposed road usage fee/tax might be imposed. This will go by miles travelled.The only surefire way to track a vehicle will be by satellite. I am totally against this George Orwell 1984 crap they are trying to shove down our throats. The USA is really heading towards a police state and my dad,may God rest his soul, warned me of this stuff 10 years ago . I just shrugged it off.But now, everything he said is really coming true. I used to call him a conspiracy theorist. Until 9/11 happened and the following days,with covered up evidence and lies about what really happened that day.Then the resulting Iraq invasion with over 2500 of our guys dying over there and for what? This control fetish that our government has goes alooong way back.
Since 96 or so, there are areas of an engine PCM that records history that anyone with an off-the-shelf scantool can access. Technician: "I'm sorry to tell you this, Mr. Jones, but the reason your son's truck is misfiring is because according to the data stored in the PCM, it's running out of fuel at 115 mph..."
I have testified at a few cases that involved the "black box". Your right since 84 it has been around. We had a officer n a squad get t-boned and the black box evidence was used to convict the driver of the other vehicle (excessive speed). What do you think preferred cards are doing? Flight miles, store saver cards, etc. All are gathering data to further track us. The new F.O.I.D. cards also send up a black flag when x amount of amunition is purchased or multiple guns in a short period. The data base will look to see if you have bought hunting liscenses, are a gun club member, etc. The possibilities are endless. I was told at a swat convention " to ensure our freedom, at times we need to encrouch on it". I thought it was pretty poetic.
What next? How about computer chips implanted in our heads that disallow us to break the laws or maybe notify the Police when we make a bad decision? F that. This country is going to Hell and we got no one to blame but ourselve's.
Black Box The computor in most cars has been able to record driving habits since about 1990. The other thing that is happening is DOT (department of transpotation) has been installing sensors in the roads since the early 90's. Next time you drive on an interstate notice sensor cutouts in all the lanes right next to each other and a pole on the side of the road with a solar panel and antennas. Once they are all in place your license plate will get a magnetic strip and DOT will monitor your average speed over the distance you drive. They will know everywhere your car goes. They will start out saying it is to monitor us truckers and our rest habits but they will watch you too. I don't care for "this is for your own good" philosophy so we will monitor you. I was brought up to repect others so I don't do stupid things to endanger them. I have driven 2 million miles without an accident and only one moving violation in a big truck over the last thirty years. I respect that truck and I respect my low 11 sec T-Type. I have done some pretty stupid things on my motorcycle though when I was young. But just because I don't commit crimes doesn't mean I want someone looking at my every move. Don't get me wrong no one wants to see someone kidnapped but most criminals are on the street to commit another crime because someone let them out; not because they were unsupervised. Mikey
So, how many people who are worried about the "black box" in their car have taken the time to disable the GPS in their cell phone? uzzled: :TU: Devon
You have to have a gps enabled phone to begin with. A cellphone without gps in it requires triangulation on the signal, in which case you just turn the phone off, no signal, no triangulation.
If you really want to see where all this is going, I highly suggest that you somehow see the Russo film that has been just released called "America-Freedom to Fascism" . This is a real eyeopener and very truthfull.
Here's another take on "Black Boxes" There are various special interest groups trying to get the government to mandate these on big rigs. The purpose would be to monitor driver's hours of service, ostensibly to ensure that professional drivers do not exceed the regulated maximum hours we can drive each week. The problems with these are, just who owns the information collected?? Does this info become public domain, government owned, driver owned, or trucking company owned, or another party owned. There are very real concerns about invasion of drivers privacy versus public safety. I must stress that the vast majority of professional truck drivers are safety conscious, courteous and honest people. I pesonally have concerns about this, and how it could impact earning ability, as many of us are paid by the mile driven, and when we sit in slow moving traffic, we don't earn as much. Now don't get me wrong here, I will never compromise safety for more money, nor will most drivers. Back to the matter of black boxes, or Electronic On Board Recorders, (EOBR's). If the government mandates these on big rigs, can your personal vehices be very far behind??? I'm coming around to supporting speed limitation at 68 MPH for us, but not EOBR's. Should governmnet mandate these on personal cars, who owns the information collected on them?? Will government prosecute you for speeding based upon black boxes?? How can it be proven beyond reasonable doubt?? I'm curious to hear from the legal experts on this topic. What is their positon on this?? Best thing I suppose would be keep a low profile, don't draw too much attention to yourself too often, and play the game as if you know more than they do. :laugh:
That's not all. They also have satelites that can read the fine print on a newspaper. The technology is there it's just wether or not we know about it or not. Like the saying goes " What you don't know won't hurt you " I guess the Men In Black movie wasn't that far off if you remember the part with Tommy Lee Jones checking up on his wife after all the years/ Who knows what they have out now that we don't know. I mean it has taken us since 84' to find this out. "Only the shadow knows" uzzled:
My wife's new Saturn has OnStar, and GM sends her an email every month with an update of the vehicles latest onboard diagnostic check. I drove it the other day, and when I got on it a little off a light I couldn't help but think GM will know about it.
we have ksp that is a crooked deputy that worked for the sherriffs office supposivley got injured in a wreck the week before he was getting laid off when a new sherriff went in office..........what he really did is push the car over a hill and make it look like he was in the car and was trying to get a disabilty check it was there brand new cruiser too he got into some serious trouble we used the black box and his shirt to prove he wasnt in the car
dude those are traffic counters only at least they are in ky the technology isnt that great like the black boxes they have to be sent off to some lab i cant remember were that reads them they do airplanes too and its not cheap its not something you can pull up in real time and as for cell phones you cant triangulate there every move like you see on tv and it takes a court order to find out who owns one however telemarketers get them with out a ct order :af: basically all you can pull up on ncic is vehs and driverslicense unless you have a criminal history to find phone numbers we use reverse phone directory csi is a joke along with every other tv show about police
The cop shows are for propaganda.The government wants you to fear them.We have a government that operates out of the Constitution and especially since 9/11,2001. The government is all about control and fear. The local police forces are trained to use force for law enforcement now.The special training comes from the feds.This goes back to the mid 90's and the War on drugs. The USA has really turned into a Nazi style police state and it is not going to get better.Soon,we'll be hearing"Papers,please!" everywhere you go. Citizens will not do anything about it and go along with all this like nice little controlled slaves.
Can't wait for the day when a cop pulls me over, plugs his laptop into my car and then writes me a ticket for everytime I've been over the limit in the last month. And for God's sake don't take a pee along side the road! We're nothing but goldfish in a bowl. Think they have you now, wait until cash is eleminated!
I think this black box stuff is total BS...If the Gov't had such capabilities to do all the above...Why hasn't Bin Laden been found??? I guess they have better things to do like tell how fast my Tacoma is going on the iInterstate.I wont say its not capable but I have way too many things in life to worry about than being spied on...Let em look ...
Black Boxes- You guys are confused Black boxes are not GPS systems. Nobody can "track" a car equipped with a black box! You're getting the two confused. Tracking can only be done with GPS technology. In its current state, the GPS has to be activated. For instance, On-Star can "track" a car that has been reported stolen. Even this is not as easy as it sounds, There are many limitations. (On-Star, not the government) The "black box" is contained in the AIR BAG module. You cannot disconnect it. It is simply a data recorder. Many cars today have black boxes, as most people like to call them because they record SOME data similar to aircraft. All cars equipped with air bags do not have data recorders. A company called Vehtronics makes the software. There are two levels of severeity the module will record data at. First is a non-deployment event. This is a sudden deceleration of a certain magnitude that doesn't result in an airbag deployment. The data will be recorded for about 5 seconds before the event, but this data can be overwritten if a more severe event occurs. The problem is there is no date/time recorded. The second is a deployment event. This is when the airbag deploys. The data stored cannot be overwritten by another event. This is the data that can be used in both civil and criminal trials. In most states, the data belongs to the car's owner but it can be obtained by court order if needed. Currently, only Ford and GM data can be downloaded by someone other than the manufacturer. This is supposed to change and others will be available. My company does this and we have the equipment and certified engineers that can download, analyze and testify to the data. Some of the data it tells you is the vehicle speed, deceleration rate in g's, throttle position (%), brake lamps on/off, seat belts buckled and more. This data is often mis-used in accident reconstruction cases. The data is recorded in increments and not a steady stream. It does have limitations. The goverment is not using this information. It is mainly to protect the manufacturers from false accusations. It is very useful in reconstructing a vehicle accident and can often prove responsibility. You made need it youself someday. It's not Big Brother, it's Technology! Dennis Lyons
