At The End Of My Rope

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Yardley, Sep 7, 2009.

  1. Yardley

    Yardley Club Jackass

    Dyno is in Swedesboro, NJ. Across the river and south from Philly.
     
  2. bobc455

    bobc455 Well-Known Member

    What size is the return line from your regulator?

    -Bob C.
     
  3. Yardley

    Yardley Club Jackass

    Carbureted. No return line. Fuel pump is a Dead-Head fuel pump - no return line needed. Regulator is a Non-Return regulator.
     
  4. Thumper (aka greatscat)

    Thumper (aka greatscat) Well-Known Member

    Its still there,goes down to the front cam bearing and isn't needed on 70 and up motors.I've seen oil seep past the gasket and down the front of the motor.When the head is off find a freeze plug the right size or tap it and put in a plug.since the hole goes to the front bearing stuff a small rag into the hole prior to tapping then blow it out with low pressure then remove the rag .works for me.
    gary
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2009
  5. Yardley

    Yardley Club Jackass

    Thanks Gary.

    If the hole isn't used, then why is it even there??
     
  6. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    It's just the result of drilling the block to connect the left lifter galley with the front cam bearing...the drill has to come in from somewhere. The left side hole did double duty on the 400/430, they just left the operation in place for 455 production since it caused no issues and still got the internal oiling taken care of.

    I've had no problem with leakage at that spot since switching to the aluminum heads and pushrod oiling. I'm using Fel-Pro blue head gaskets.

    Devon
     
  7. yacster

    yacster Lv the gun tk the Canolis



    A question many a man has pondered while sitting at the end of a bed:shock::grin:
     
  8. ragtops

    ragtops Gold Level Contributor

    Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Good One Anthony, Good One!!!
     
  9. GS464

    GS464 Hopelessly Addicted

    :mad: Thanks! I just spit tea all over my laptop! Now, I don't care who you are. That there is funny! :TU: :laugh: :grin:
     
  10. Cali72's

    Cali72's Well-Known Member

    Figure out the problem yet!!!!! Ive been readin this thread off and on this weekend.Also you ever take a gander at that posi unit?I hope I cleaned it well enough.Take care good luck!Russ
     
  11. Yardley

    Yardley Club Jackass

    OK.

    Dyno Day.

    We ran out of time to swap cams, but here is what we found out.

    This engine has a flat spot between 4200 and 4900 RPM. Then it takes off again to 5500. Did it on every run all day long. Which is exactly what I've been saying all along! So I wasn't imagining it.

    With my Pro Systems 950HP carb: HP=447@5300 TQ=530@3000
    With an out-of-the-box Holley 830HP carb: HP 443@5100 TQ=527@2900 But it accelerated MUCH quicker to 5500 with the 830 than the 950.
    With an out-of-the-box Holley 950HP carb: HP=440 TQ=515 And it took longer to get to 5500 than the 830.

    A/F ratio was rich no matter how lean we jetted it and which carb was on it. Between 10.5 and 11.5 at WOT. We don't know for sure if the equipment was hokey or what, but they said it has never shown an engine to run so rich regardless of how lean we made it. We even ran it so lean as be down on power and it STILL showed between 10.5 and 11.5! Weird.

    No matter what we did with tuning the flat spot remained there and allowed us to run through it to 5500. It likes total timing of 32*. The dyno guy (who dynos all Kenney Koretsky's engines) said it really took off with the 830 carb.

    Apparantly my BBB doesn't like more carb OR more timing. Go figure.

    We believe that the flat spot could be cam related and will swap in the new Scott Brown cam and be back at the dyno next week to see what we get. I will also be running a Quick Fuel 850 annular carb there as well.

    We can rule out lifters because if the lifters were crashing they wouldn't allow us to pull through to 5500. We will also be swapping on an older B4B if we change cams and the flat spot remains. It is possible it is the intake, but we won't know until we try.
     
  12. Yardley

    Yardley Club Jackass

    Hi Russ. What posi unit was that?????
     
  13. Joe65SkylarkGS

    Joe65SkylarkGS 462 ina 65 Lark / GN

    Jeff I'm glad your finally getting somewhere!!

    Sounds like the cam shaft. You'll be running in no time!!! And faster than before!!!
     
  14. wkillgs

    wkillgs Gold Level Contributor

    There was a post here in the past about a port flow 'hiccup' where the flow got weird. I don't recall if it happened at a certain amount of lift, or if it happened at a certain rpm.....Anyone remember that discussion?
     
  15. wkillgs

    wkillgs Gold Level Contributor

  16. 69GS400s

    69GS400s ...my own amusement ride!

    Yo bud ... Whatever i have and you need for the next dyno day is yours including ripping off BigRed's SP1 and HP1000.

    Also have an Olllld brand new set of johnson lifters (before the bad-one days) ... Yours for the asking
     
  17. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    Yards,

    Post one of your dyno sheets, I would like to see it..

    JW
     
  18. 69GS400s

    69GS400s ...my own amusement ride!

    First thing i thought too was to have you look it over... DynoGuy's printer was inop and yards didnt get a data disc b/c its in a funky format ... Told him you prolly have the software to read it and to get it

    ...May take a day or 2

    Any ideas why what they did they couldnt lean it out ? Im thinking bad data source but if not ...?
     
  19. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    Yup, if the guy has a superflow, and the file extension is .sfd then I can read the disc info.. Get the disc and email the contents.



    Jeff, did the guy have O2 sensors or the Airflow turbine on the engine.. or both?

    I am not surprised it doesn't like the 950, 450 HP motors typically don't, I am sure I have dyno tests that show that, on that type of engine. Typically you need to get up around 500 HP, to have enough airflow to make those carbs work, especially the 950. Allen, your 1000 HP would function better, but it would make no more HP than a Q-jet.. maybe less..

    JW
     
  20. Yardley

    Yardley Club Jackass

    I don't know what an airflow turbine is, but I don't believe it was hooked to my mill. They use O2 sensors with a separate handheld device to read the info.

    I will get data files next week and see if anyone can print them. I'm looking online for a replacement printer for him right now.

    Here is what I wrote down from the best run of the day - with my ProSystems 950:

    RPM TQ HP
    4294 519 424
    4400 515 431
    4500 508 435
    4600 497 435
    4700 489 437
    4800 480 439
    4900 470 439
    5000 462 440
    5100 ..... 443
    5200 ..... 443
    4300 ..... 441
    4400 ..... 435
     

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