Anybody Just do Single Stage Paint?

Discussion in 'Color is everything!' started by Roadmaster49, Jun 3, 2019.

  1. Roadmaster49

    Roadmaster49 Well-Known Member

    Do they make single stage paint anymore - paint that is not intended to be topped by clear coat?

    I am a paint newbie, but if I buy a project car I am probably painting it in my garage. I read somewhere where modern 'base' coat actually dries with what I can best describe as orange peel or sticky like texture that must be topped with clear coat. You then polish the clear coat.

    All this sounds kind of wacky and complex for a garage painter. They make HVLP painters and you can buy a decent air compressor and in line filter that is probably better than they mass painted cars in the 40's to 70's.

    I ask because there is a single stage painted car for sale in the member's section that was painted 30 years ago "and still looks good." If you add 30 years to my nearly 56, I am pretty sure I won't still have a project car I buy and paint. If the car is well maintained, garage kept and waxed regularly, I don't see why people fuss over clear coat.

    What am I missing?
     
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  2. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    If you are not familiar with painting . I would not paint. But then if you have a good head of things you could pull it off. So many things could go wrong. Even if your a good painter. So many things can go wrong . Single stage painted years ago probably looks like suede . Even if it’s a Good dirt free paint job. They just chalk up with age. That’s why i always tell you guys on the last coat of Single Stage to mix 50/50 with clear. so it could be nibed. to get the dirt out. Not ruining the paint job. Bryan i paint brand new cars and Tesla’s With single Stage every week. As long as it’s Black or white. Metallic i just use water base. And clear over it.
     
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  3. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    It could be so chalky. That i think you would have a hard time rubbing the wax off.
     
  4. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    I just painted a black 57 Roadmaster with single stage urethane. Customer wanted to go frugal, so we did. I’m currently color sanding and will buff this weekend. I much prefer base coat/clear coat jobs. Clear is much easier to cut.
     
  5. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    Adam did you put a coat of clear on ?
     
  6. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    Adam 600 wet sand it . And dust coat then full wet coat. Might not have to buff much
     
  7. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    of clear i mean
     
  8. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    57 Roadmaster I would definitely Single black then clear. Soooo Deeep
     
  9. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    Basecoat black has a bad look no depth
     
  10. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    No clear...I'm almost done with it.
     
  11. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    This is pre-knockdown..
     

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  12. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Single stage urethane is a good option for solid colors,..for metallic colors it can be a hassle and a mess for a novice painter.

    Both single stage and clear will have orange peel little less with single stage if sprayed correctly.

    A novice painter will have better results with base/clear 95% of the time imo

    The materials used in the paint 30yrs ago is very different than what we can buy today keep that in mind

    As to Wherever you read about the characteristics of base clear I would suggest you avoid that particular source, because that's anything but accurate
     
  13. OZGS455

    OZGS455 Oh what a wonderful day!

    I can still buy old school acrylic laquer here, thats what I use, but theres a lot of labour involved.
    even with solid colours I like to mix clear with last few coats then clear over it,
    then Im polishing the clear not the colour.
    With metallics I have to use clear over base....thats what you call 2 stage?
    As opposed to 2-pack? where hardener is mixed with the paint or clear 2-1 or 4 -1.
    Im stuck in the past
     
  14. Mach5racing

    Mach5racing Well-Known Member

    I painted my 69 skylark last year with white single stage and it came out great. I use summit racing paints and they lay down excellent. I’m not a body man or painter by trade but I have done enough of my own projects to get it done well. Very easy to use products from summit. Prep is most important. You can practice painting on a old hood or body panel to get the hang of it. A good spray gun and compressor and you can do it!
     

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  15. 12lives

    12lives Engage! - Jean-Luc Picard

    To OP, Bryan - find a voc-tech school in Des Moines and take a car painting class. Most shops will allow you to paint your car in the class. Then you get access to a hands on expert advice and a paint booth! Best $25 I ever spent!
     

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