AFR Tuning: A Holley Carburetor Journey

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by johnriv67, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Oh, he also says "if plugs show no detonation, suspect the O2. Careful with ignition timing. Put the carb back to usual, run it, and run it hard, then check plugs."

    Devon
     
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  2. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    I’ll have to examine the plugs more, and the ground strap too. Currently it seems like the plugs are quite rich
     
  3. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    So plugs look rich but gauge reads lean???????
     
  4. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    That is generally the consensus. I'll pull all plugs and send pictures tomorrow
     
  5. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Too lean my a$$....
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  6. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Throw your a/f gage in the trash.
     
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  7. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Should I buy a new sender, or a new gauge?
     
  8. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Buy a EGT gauge
     
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  9. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    What would that information tell me as opposed to a AFR gauge? And where would I install it?
     
  10. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    Wow, lean. Yeah.......sorry you had to see this the hard way........whenever tuning always pull the plugs they tell you alot if you just look.


    EGT tell you exhaust gas temps, normally lean equals hotter temps. I have 2 on my car.....but they are not cut and dry. Different fuel. Different temp, change timing, different temp, to close or too far from the clyinder head different temp, weather change different temp. Its not uncommon on mine to see 15-30 degrees difference run to run
     
  11. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    To be fair, I pulled the #1 plug multiple times, I just wasn't sure how damn rich it was. Think I could unfoul these plugs with some good run time?

    I think the A/F gauge is accurate at part throttle at least, when the air is moving slower. I think I'll keep my primary jetting of 82 or 84 and then jump the secondaries to 90 or 92
     
  12. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    Nope trash can those things
     
  13. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    I’m running EGT and air fuel meter on each side. I also pull the plugs often to read them.
     
  14. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Don’t you have twin turbos?
     
  15. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    yes twins with a CSU brand modified Holley 750 double pumper. Perfect air fuel ratios at all boost levels right out of the box no tuning needed. I’m switching to E-85 with another custom CSU carb this year.

    I loaned a friend my E-85 carb and he made 1000 rear wheel HP with a 5.3LS on boost. Pretty amazing, perfect fuel curve.
     
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  16. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Well an interesting piece of info. Holley jet drill sizes are different than Proform sizes. So a Proform 87.5/91 primary/secondary is really a 84/90 in Holley jets. So my next step will probably be to enrich the secondary side at the track.
     
  17. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    Holley jet sizes don't directly equal a drill size, they sometimes have several jet sizes that use the same hole size but depending on te angles in and out these effect flow rates. This is why its important not to damage the jet and use a jet tool not a screw driver to install and remove them.

    Holley number are flow rates, actually in cubic centimeters per minute. I think typically going up a jet size is 2% more flow than the next lower number.

    I added a chart to show that jet size doesn't equal drill size always with holley........but there are some company's that make jets that are drill sized not flow rated.
    Yes its turned but its easier to read being bigger
     

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  18. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    That was the exact chart I referenced earlier, so I guess it does have to do with diameter and angling, but a small amount only. Thanks Ben
     
  19. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

     

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  20. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    So when i here someone say I had to go up 10 jet sizes. I see red flags, they just up the fuel flow close to 20%, its very odd if the carb is proper size that it needs that big of adjustment.....normal +/- 5 sizes from build specs is more than enough to tune one in
     
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