Does anyone know this car or anything about it? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...RK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=110147189636&rd=1,1
It is a nice looking car. The BIN price seems about $10K too high for a car with a non-matching number motor in that condition. I have seen nicer cars for $18K in the last few weeks.
I agree tim that is a very fair price...an original 4 speed and carb. I have seen stage 1 carbs go for BIG Bucks.
Here is one that sold for $25K with the matching numbers motor. It is a Stage 1 and sounds to be in better condition. http://www.chooseyouritem.com/classics/files/76000/76358.html I just don't see a car going for $31K that is not a Stage 1 and does not have the original motor and probably needs some work.
Nice car there also. Hard to say if it is an original motor. It has been decked. Documentation came with the other car on Ebay. Always nice to have to prove it is an original 4 speed and so on. :beers2:
How about this one that also claims to be a numbers matching 4spd GS 455 for $28K. http://www.elitemotorsportsmd.com/main.htm This one also looks cleaner than the one on eBay. Also the documentation on the one on eBay is not worth much if the motor is not original. Paperwork is nice to substantiate a numbers matching car. Sloan can provide the documentation on any 1970 so any of these cars can have the paper.
Then what is a stage1. To me it is a stage one without the original motor. I had felt that car on EBay was asking a fair price. My feelings on a 1970 BBB 4 spd that is documentated that appears clean and is cloned to a GSX still has a fair asking price. I still have not seen a true 1970 BBB4 speed for $18,000. Just my thoughts.
I've been scouring the ads all over for the past 4 months trying to replace my 70 Stage I 4 speed car and I have not seen a true 4speed Stage I car anywhere near 18K...believe me it would have been bought in a second if in decent shape like this one.
That car on eBay is not a Stage 1 either and stripes don't make it a GSX. My point was I have seen some 455's that looked pretty good for $18K that were not original. There was one on the BPG for sale that had an auto for $10K last week. There is another that is $18K that was an auto that someone put a 4spd in. The car on eBay does not have the original motor, so what it was is not so important. The Stage 1 options were in the motor. That car was likely never even a Stage 1 or a GSX. If he has the build sheet he would know that for sure and have it posted; not sure what he means he is "not sure it was a Stage 1"? Assume (at best) it was a 455 4spd GS. It is now a 4spd GS with a 455 non-matching motor. Maybe only a GS with a non-matching 455 and non-matching 4spd because he is kluge that the trans is original. For sure $18K is low for that car in that condition. My comment was that I have seen nice cars for $18K. In some of my previous posts in this thread there are 4spd GS 455's matching numbers in just as good condition that someone actually bought (which is the ultimate definition of market price & worth) for less than this guy has set the BIN. If it was a great deal it would already be sold. I will be interested to see how high the bids go. I would personally prefer this documented one (supposedly, buyer be-aware) http://www.elitemotorsportsmd.com/main.htm with only 33,000mi for $28.5K. Quickly roughing it out, a non-matching car is about 20% less value (on the low side) than one that is. A real GS 455 4spd sold for $25K in my first post. You can have the other for $28K. That puts this car in the $20K-$22K range with non-matching motor.
Adam, I never stated it was a stage 1 car. My comment was a stage1 carb was part of the sale that was in his item discreption and have heard rumors of big big bucks thats have been paid on such an item ($6000). I rest in peace.:TU: all are points are correct.
Yup, that is why it is still sitting and I didn't buy it. Me personally, I just bought a numbers matching 70...no its not a Stage I but it is a numbers matching drop top and it is much nicer car for much less. I would have to agree on all counts Adam. I saw plenty of Stage I's that turned out to be something less than claimed shall we say...OR they got bought in a hurry. By all counts, I missed out on 4 cars these past few months and the others that sat...well they sat for one reason or another. Give me a matching numbers 70' 455 car anyday over the Stage I option...of course Stage I AND matching, well that is another story
Sorry to go on and on about it. I am just real frustrated with people putting stuff on eBay advertised as something it is not. My brother just got burned on a "numbers matching original engine" GS car, a 71 with a 72 coded motor.
Oh, the stories I could tell about " Looks like a great car on Ebay.." 20K worth of bodywork later, and yes, it's the car you "thought" it is was.. Sorry guys.. I hear what your saying, but I just got a chuckle out of the debate, knowing what I know, being in the business. My advice.. ...Anything over 10K... look at it in person, even if it requires buying a plane ticket . And....buy the nicest car you can, with original, or 20+ year old paint Everything else was either "fixed to sell" or odds are, one of these phrases was used in it's repair "well, it's just a driver".. "I don't want to spend a ton of money" "It's not a concours restoration" " just touch it up for me" "I don't plan on keeping it forever" And no.. a "S coded" block is not the whole deal about a STG 1.. plenty of other special parts and features, beyond just a block stamping. I would say that a car that has all the STG parts, but is just missing the block, is still a STG 1.. and only slightly diminished.. because the dirty little secret is that the shorblock is exactly the same as grandma's 225, save for the cam.. and the stamp code. And the reality is, if it has documentation that says STG 1.. it's still a STG car, regardless of the engine. A9 was on an option package, that spec'ed special transmissions parts, gear packages, pulleys, engine parts, transmission calibrations ect ect. You know.. when I browse ebay, and see a STG car, with a "non numbers motor" I get interested, because: 1. I am not going to spend 100K on it to turn it into a collectable show car. 2. I won't have to pay someone who has just enough knowledge to be dangerous, too much money for his driver quality car, because it has the "numbers motor". A driver is a driver.. right now, GS's and clones are going between 10 and 30K, depending on options, colors, equipment and condition/detailing. You have to get into a level of car, much beyond what your looking at here, to start worrying about devaluation due to missing stamp codes. Do yourself a favor, and buy that "non numbers" STG car, for "too much money" if it has a super solid body, with original paint. Before you buy something, that is "correct, numbers matching" with plastic and chickenwire from the body line down.. Don't laugh.. I have seen it. JW
This car was advertised at $25k and sold a long time ago, and to another dealer, who painted stripes on it and tried to sell it as a GSX for $30k+. IIRC it wasn't a stage 1. A friend of mine and fellow board member bought it and sold it on eBay, probably been at least two years ago, I would have to search for it, to a dealer, who then marked it up, and resold it to a dealer, who again marked it up. It was NOT a real nice car, and had more things wrong with it then I can list. The car in question on eBay has been for sale on this board a number of times by Joe. I would tend to agree that it is over priced, or it would have sold by now.
I haven't seen the car you bought in person, only in pictures, but from what I have seen I would have to agree with you 100%, you did good. If you read Jim W.'s post, which I also agree with, you have done what he said a person should do. By a super solid, numbers matching car with older paint, so you can see what you are getting. All of the 4 Buicks I currently own were painted in the 80's or 90's, none more recent.
Yeah, I would have to agree...my 72 was a sold as a "recent" paint job and I bought off of ebay. I got the car cheap, 11K and some change, but it will need floor, cowl and trunk work someday. I knew when it came time to find a car that I wanted to keep for investing/collecting purposes I wanted one that hadn't had recent paint to hide a bunch of stuff. This time, I did buy off of pics and from member recommendations as well as the seller and I seemed to speak the same language in terms of what he had and what I was looking for. I risked it to buy w/out seeing in person, but did get a slew of pics of the troubles spots.
Wade nice score on the convertible, I agree, that I tend to stay away from recent repaints. I want to know what I am getting. Reading posts like this makes it easier to keep my original paint 72 skylark, :TU:
