70 Big block 455 oil blow by on start up

Discussion in 'Race 400/430/455' started by Eric, Feb 25, 2004.

  1. Eric

    Eric Founders Club Member

    My X's engine was rebuilt back in 1996 evrything was done.
    Because the car's paint was not finished I did not want to drive
    it in public until the car was totally finished. So the car sat with a fresh rebuild on the engine until summer of 2003. The engine
    is a 455 stage 1 bored out to 462 with sealed power Forged pistons and balanced. the heads were all done over too. The car
    runs 12.90's and just runs great all the time. But one thing that drives me crazy is that summer of 2003 has been my first summer
    driving the X,and after I have gone out driving for a while 20 minutes or more, when I shut the car off for maybe 10 minutes
    or so, and then start her up again, she blows out the exhaust
    some oily smoke for about 5 seconds and then no more smoke
    as long as she's running. When I stomp it on the freeway there
    is no smoke whatsoever as well as decelerating there is no smoke. I think it could be valve stem seals. But could it possibly
    be rings,I can see that it is rings based on the only times she smokes is on initial start up for just a few seconds. Is there a way to tell what the problem is without tearing into the engine?
    Any answers are appricated!
    Thanks , Eric Nelson/ Ore. gsx.man@verizon.net
     
  2. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Black smoke = raw fuel in the exhaust whereas


    Blue smoke= oil in the exhaust
     
  3. Eric

    Eric Founders Club Member

    I meant... that I "can't, cannot" see that it would be rings!!
     
  4. Eric

    Eric Founders Club Member

    the color I would maybe say blue?! But I will check more the color
    in march when I put the battery back in and uncover it.
     
  5. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    If you see blue smoke perhaps you have a stuck or broken ring? Have you looked at your plugs to see if one looks different than the others?
     
  6. Bigtorque1

    Bigtorque1 Well-Known Member

    SMOKE

    Iwould think that if ts a ring it would smoke all the time it was unning,sounds like somthing leakin fom the valve area,when you stop the engine oil is draining into the cumbustion chamber ad then burning off,which indicates a RELATIVLEY small amount of oil,if the piston was pumping oil into the cylinder during runnig it is alot more oil and would continue to smoke,just a thought,but it sure sounds like a bad vale seal or guide,AJ
     
  7. skylark

    skylark Well-Known Member

    Valve seals dry up? Have seen that in the past, when I worked at a machine shop. A guy came in madder than heck, cause the engine smoked when he started it. Long story short, it was built 5 or 6 years before and sat, causing the valve seals to dry and crack. Hope that helps.:)
     
  8. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    I agree with AJ and Trey if blue smoke appears only at start up. If it is black all of our cars belch black smoke fron excess raw fuel on start up. After it runs for a bit it clears.
     
  9. buickgsman

    buickgsman Well-Known Member

    If you don't have too big a cam in the motor try putting valve stem seals on the exhaust side. Buick 455 motors don't use them and realistically you should have the guides cut down to the same level as the intake. I've used them in the past without cutting down the guides, but elected not to when I swapped cams last and i get some smoke just like youa re describing now.

    Good luck

    Bob
     
  10. Marco

    Marco Well-Known Member

    How much oil is consumed?

    I remember reading somewhere (Buick technical bulletin?) that a 'little' smoke is expected at start-up. If it's not consuming oil, don't worry about it.

    PS - Is your GSX a factory Stage1? If so, please consider registering it. Details are contained on www.stage1registry.com

    Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks!
     
  11. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    smoke

    Eric - have someone hold some white paper at the exhaust pipe. It will "capture" some of the smoke particles. That will help you identify oil or fuel by the look smell, and feel. (taste too....:pp )
    Also, you can do a compression test, after you get a baseline (and everything is OK), squirt some oil down the spark plug holes. If you get a jump in compression (+20% or more), the rings are stuck/broken/bad).

    - Bill
     
  12. pooods

    pooods Well-Known Member

    My guess is valve seals. I have had that on some of my vehicles that did sit for years. Most cleared up after driving them for a while. Seals on the exhaust side is a good ideal. I do it now evertime I get heads worked. I have had several 350 Chevys that do this, but they did it over time, not after sitting. You may have not driven it enough to seat the rings, but that smoke in start up is probably from the valves. Good luck!!!
     
  13. Eric

    Eric Founders Club Member

    No oil to speak of is being consumed.
     

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