I haven't spent much time looking at 66-67 cars but a friend of mine located the following: 67 442 hardtop (non post), original 4 speed, Chead original motor (C correct for this year?), red non-vinyl exterior, black bucket interior, a/c car,SSI wheels. Sounds like a pretty straight body with small (apparent) rust in only a couple spots. Good driver type paint (old repaint or decent original)-in other words not a show car but not flaking off or faded into oblivion either. Engine getting rebuilt-supposedly drop it back in and with minor work car is ready to drive. Interior-wise sounds the same--pretty clean--useable driver condition seats, panels without any major tearing, foam sticking out, etc that you sometimes see. This sounds like a decent, driver condition car--definitely not a show car and would need pretty much everything redone to be that--but pretty much everything is there. From what he said it's a car you could put the motor back in and enjoy it as is without any MAJOR work. Price seems to be $6k area---assume it's a real car and that all numbers match. Also lets assume it doesn't have any major hidden damage or any major repaired damage (ie collision or major rust repairs already done).Not a W30 and not a tripower. Seems like a decent deal to me. Any tips, input, etc appreciated. Also--what are these going for in fully restored condition??(Not the Buicklawyer-style frame off type car with all markings, etc but let's say new, slick paint, non frame off, new interior, suspension , chrome, w/strip, etc. Thanks, Patton
NADA price guide for a 66 tripower car like this (no W30) is above $30k. Paint jobs alone will run $7500-$10k for a good one (disassembly, minor bodywork), more than that for perfection. Had no problem increasing my 66 value to $25k with my ins. company, American Collectors. 4 speed and A/C are big selling factors. (Well, maybe not the A/C in Minnesota).
The 67 442's always seem to lag behind the GTO's in value. But that sounds like alot of MuscleCar for 6 grand. What big block 4 speed true muscle car with a legendary name like 442, with a good body in driving condition sells for $6,000 anymore?
Non tripower car Dave. and non W30---clean driver--you know--one of those cars that is nice to look at and drive and everything is in pretty good condition so you have a hard time deciding whether to just clean and detail a little and drive as-is....or going crazy with a full resto which will mean pretty much everything will have to be refinished because it all has some wear and tear. Yes Joel--I had the same thoughts--and started to ask him why he didn't own it yet! I haven't seen the car-just a couple pics that you really can't tell much from. I am making a lot of assumptions and I'm going to tell him what I am assuming (re: real car, no major present or past damage, etc). This guy did me a huge favor back around 1990 when he gave me the "heads up" on the W31 I have----he looked at it and passed and immediately called me about its availability. Not a close friend, haven't talked with him in years but a damn nice person that loves musclecars and doesn't hesitate to pass on the info when he finds something he thinks someone else might be interested in. As I said earlier---there's no way in hell I would have found the W31 if he had not called me and told me about it and I wasn't even really looking for one at the time. This guy was very thoughtful, knew that I enjoyed Oldsmobiles and gave me a call. Dave--can you post the single 4 bbl numbers..and you mentioned in another thread, I recall, something about NADA guide prices and your thoughts on accuracy---can you rehash? Thanks, Patton
Joel, there's an old saying here in Texas----"if the world comes to an end then come to Texas---everything happens 10 years later here" :laugh:
I know less than you about values on these things Patton, but $6k would seem like a good price for a 4 speed 442 that is in as good of (or better) condition as mine. Heck, I paid a little more than that for mine seven years ago and its just a Cutlass. Ben
Patton: Don't really recall all the #'s, just looked up my own to use to up the insured values on my cars. Way I found it was, get ready for this: Went to Dennis Gage's site (after talking with him at the Phenix Bar and grille in downtown, cosmpolitan, Edmore, Mi. after the PS race), and one of their sponsors was Hagerty insurance. Started through their estimate process and it directed me to a website for the NADA pricing guide for hot rods and muscle cars (didn't even know such a thing exists). Anyhow, got the values, got their estimate, and my company was within 1% of theirs and I've been with them (and very happy) for over 20 years. Word of advice, standard cars are nowhere near the W cars, and Cutlasses are nowhere near the 442's. They didn't have a listing for a W31, max for a 68 Cutlass 2 dr HT in my car's condition was somewhere around $16k, but my 68 W30 was $35k. We settled on $25k for the W31. A 66 L69 W30 was around $33k; we settled on my L69, non W30 at $25k also. Wouldn't insure the 68 W30 since it's not completed. Wonderful.
Car Values Dave H Thanks for the lead. I checked the site: www.nadaguides.com They limit searches to 5 per day, I thought the values on some cars were a little low,but accurate for the most part.
Thanks very much guys--this thing looks like a steal if my assumptions about condition, originality, etc are correct. I will let this guy know the info. Patton
I just spoke with him again on the phone--he is buying the car today. He has a friend that is in the used car biz--mainly collectibles-- and this guy found the car for him. Apparently it's the usual "car in barn (or maybe garage) story. Current, but soon-to-be prior, owner had the car for years, was going to "fix it up" etc but got overwhelmed with other projects and wants to sell. Sounds like the "convenience factor" came into play on this one---the seller didn't want to mess with a lot of advertising, or needed money quick, or didn't know the market and this guy was there at the right time. He is supposed to send me some decent pics once he gets the car which I will try to post. Right now he is going to get the motor back in and the car up and running, then look at possible paint and other detail work. He may end up leaving it "as is" and seeing how well it cleans up. We shall see. Thanks again. Patton Here's one pic he sent--not any detail--sending better pics once he gets it.
Yes--Paul--what Dave said. When I called him I told him he better own this thing already--he said he was going today to take care of the paperwork, paying the guy,etc. He just wanted to do a little due diligence as he hasn't owned and Olds in years. This guy is always digging around and finding something as he has owned quite a variety of musclecars over the years...I'm not talking on the scale of 50 or so but probably 10-15. Patton
Hemmings Motor Muscle Well how about that? Just got the new HMM and what's there but a price guide. Didn't look too deeply, but the cars I checked ,442's, (really, Dave?) seemed to be in line. Loved the comments on the 68's. It's a real Cinderella story as for years everybody wanted 70-72. 68/69 were bypassed (especially 68's). Now they're the rage. Glad I've got a coupla and a garage full of parts (junk?) Sold 2 of them last year, maybe should have held onto them, too? Love that black 66 convertible..........
NADA shows mine as a low of $22k to a high of $61K. hubba hubba. My 6700 dollar investment is paying off. :Brow: I take those with a grain of salt though. It's only worth what someone will pay for it. And that immaculate gold car (4 speed) Wray sold recently on Ebay didn't bring 60 IIRC. Meanwhile a 68 Hurst without original motor sold for low 60's. o No:
And you want to race it? :jd: Like stock, you haven't made or lost anything until you sell it. Market's really up right now. That low sixties 68 Hurst can come down to 20's real fast. Happened before. It's kinda like the old kids game musical chairs. Who will be left holding the big buck cars when the music stops?
C'mon Dave----I guess I will share a little-known trade secret I have developed here in the last 13 years......the key is to buy stocks that keep going up!! That is the secret to success in the market. The hard part is figuring out which stocks will do that :Brow: When you guys discover or figure out the "hard part" and get rich and famous remember who led you in the right direction. ..or the broker's secret to success: Take his experience and your money and turn it into your experience and his money. :spank:
Hell yeah! I'll never own a trailer queen. Besides, mine is nowhere near a $61k car right now. That "low" number is probably about right I'm guessing. If things work out it will go in the rotisserie next winter though. Drivetrain is well along for a spring debut. But even with a frame off, she'll still get driven. And raced. :bglasses: :3gears: :beer I didn't buy it as an investment. That is simply a byproduct of the market and when I bought it. (12 years ago) I bought it because I wanted one from when I was a kid.
I love this guy's attitude.................I wish more enthusists were like him Don't be afraid to drive them.......have fun with the like they're intended!!!
