400 vs 430 vs 455 block strength

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by Buickpwrdolds, Jul 14, 2019.

  1. Buickpwrdolds

    Buickpwrdolds Well-Known Member

    (If this is in the wrong section I apologize, it's purely hypothetical so I didn't think it neccesary for the race bb section)
    I know that the 75-76 455 blocks are preferred for a few reasons over 70-74, but what can be said about the strength/rigidity of 400 and 430 blocks compared to early and/or later 455 blocks? Seems to me that since a 400 can be bored to 430 bore size, in it's natural state it would be notably more rigid than a 455 block, due to the extra cylinder wall thickness. Negating the loss of cubic inches, wouldn't that make for a tougher engine under power adder/higher rpm conditions? 400's should be the rarest statistically, but I seem to find them regularly in this area for sale. A 3.950 offset ground (normally a 470?), the Molnar 6.800 rod, and a forged Olds piston (4.165 bore) stack up to around 10.540 deck height, and make 430 cubes. If my thoughts on the blocks are correct, this ought to make for a pretty stout bottom end that could handle some power and rpm, like in a single turbo application. What do you all think?
     
  2. SpecialWagon65

    SpecialWagon65 Ted Nagel

    Watching... I wondered about 400 vs 455 block integrity myself.
     
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  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

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  4. Buickpwrdolds

    Buickpwrdolds Well-Known Member

    Larry,
    I have come to understand how big of an issue that is with these engines. I guess this is a "best case scenario" situation, say we had a 400 block which sonic checked good and showed minimal core shift, how then does it compare to a 455 block of equally good standing.
    Ethan
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The 400 block should be more stable. The 455 has 55 cubic inches more displacement though, and we all know there is no replacement for displacement EXCEPT forced induction.:)
     
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  6. Buickpwrdolds

    Buickpwrdolds Well-Known Member

    3.950 stroke x 4.165 bore = around 430 cubes, down only 25 inches. Plus about .030" more wall thickness than a normal 430. I understand the stock cranks are quite capable, so coupled with good rods and forged pistons, I was envisioning forced induction. If a stock 455 built the same way could survive 650 hp, then the 400 hybrid would have to handle another 50 or 100 hp at least to be worth the while I would think. I'm pretty good at finding the hardest possible way to do things :confused:
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Sure, keep the revs down. Denny Manner said, "it isn't the power, it's the RPM.
     
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  8. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    The 400s will suffer from shrouding the valves if using the larger stage 1 valves. This will hurt airflow alot
     
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  9. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Naturally aspirated yes but forced not that much of an issue....just turn it up....
     
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