2 broken lifters, cam looks great - the story continues Help Plz

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by P-R-N-D-3-2-1, Sep 8, 2014.

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  1. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    That will happen with too much initial timing. The engine kicks back and breaks the nose of the starter.
     
    LARRY70GS, Oct 21, 2014
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  2. P-R-N-D-3-2-1

    P-R-N-D-3-2-1 Well-Known Member

    Thought of that but the timing has been the same for several years?
    [There was plenty of room to remove/install intake and not even touch the dis...]
     
    P-R-N-D-3-2-1, Oct 21, 2014
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  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    Timing has been the same? What does that mean?:grin: When was the last time you checked it? If it cranks hard when hot, it can kick back and break the nose just like that.
     
    LARRY70GS, Oct 21, 2014
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  4. P-R-N-D-3-2-1

    P-R-N-D-3-2-1 Well-Known Member

    I just mean it would of done it long ago no, if it was timing? Its not a hot start issue. was cold the other night and felt like it just stopped cranking, not low on juice. Then a quick on off and it spun again. I got 4 starts out of it since then, 5th time to get up on ramps was a no go.

    been a while since checked it bu that snot something that changes on it own, right?
     
    P-R-N-D-3-2-1, Oct 21, 2014
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  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Actually, it could have cracked a long time ago, and you just finished it off the other night. Who knows. I would look at the timing anyway, takes 5 minutes tops. The only thing I have seen crack the nose like that is engine kick back. I suppose it could also be caused by the wrong firing order, like misplaced plug wires, but timing is what first comes to mind when I see that.
     
    LARRY70GS, Oct 21, 2014
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  6. P-R-N-D-3-2-1

    P-R-N-D-3-2-1 Well-Known Member


    <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]-->[FONT=&quot]Well its been a few good year since I put on the MSD box and I did play with the timing a bunch then, and did get some hot starting back then
    Just odd how these small problems are poppin up.[/FONT] [ I labeled all the wires before I did the new lifters. and always change them one at a time, did just put on new Accel 8mm spiral core wire the other day http://bit.ly/1vLv1ps only $34 shipped ]
     
    P-R-N-D-3-2-1, Oct 21, 2014
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  7. P-R-N-D-3-2-1

    P-R-N-D-3-2-1 Well-Known Member

    Do you have allergies? Mine have been active allot lately. Takes nasal spray to breath through my nose, messes with smells sometimes.

    I think I smell something sweet. There is no water in the oil and no oil in the water, but the water lvl has dropped.
    It did sit several days before that first incidence.

    lets do some DC detective work & just skip to reusing the intake gasket was a fail, but a small fail at this point.

    anything I should use on the new intake gasket coming to assure sealing?
     
    P-R-N-D-3-2-1, Oct 22, 2014
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  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Ragweed is bad this year. I don't suffer from it, just mild hay fever in the Spring is all.

    I use silicone around the water passages top and bottom of the gasket. I put some on my finger and smear a thin coat around the opening. I also spray a thin coat of copper coat or spray tack on both sides of the gasket around the intake ports.
     
    LARRY70GS, Oct 22, 2014
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  9. 69GS400s

    69GS400s ...my own amusement ride!

    That's your cure for Ragweed allergies ?
     
    69GS400s, Oct 22, 2014
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  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    :laugh:Sure is, stop up the offending orifice, or orifices. Got it Moishe?:grin::grin:
     
    LARRY70GS, Oct 22, 2014
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  11. 69GS400s

    69GS400s ...my own amusement ride!

    Got it .. but I'm certainly not going to ask what your cure for hemorrhoids is :puzzled:
     
    69GS400s, Oct 22, 2014
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  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Well, eat more fiber, but truth be told, never had to deal with that. Something you want to tell me? Never mind, I don't want to know.:laugh:
     
    LARRY70GS, Oct 22, 2014
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  13. jay3000

    jay3000 RIP 1-16-21

    This sure went to sh*t..:Dou:
     
    jay3000, Oct 22, 2014
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  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I apologize to the OP for putting his thread into the toilet, but Alan started:laugh:
     
    LARRY70GS, Oct 22, 2014
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  15. P-R-N-D-3-2-1

    P-R-N-D-3-2-1 Well-Known Member

    Got it torn down, was the back pass head water port that isnt used [ TA intake is solid there ] it was the only one without a nice rig of RTV still around it.

    But more fun, I need a brake booster & dont have another $100 to toss at it. Its works fine one time you stop, next it goes woosh & the pedal gets hard, then it works again.

    New starter & redoing intake killed my fun money. [ just a little extra dab of RTV could of avoided it, but ya hate to use to much of that stuff ]

    How pacific is a booster to a car?
     
    P-R-N-D-3-2-1, Oct 23, 2014
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  16. 69GS400s

    69GS400s ...my own amusement ride!

    no idea on the 79 .. but earlier on the big car vs. A-body were definitely different. Did you make sure that the check-valve is good ? those only cost a couple bux off the HELP display at any auto parts store
     
    69GS400s, Oct 24, 2014
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  17. P-R-N-D-3-2-1

    P-R-N-D-3-2-1 Well-Known Member

    back together and no more smoke but its not gonna go far till after Xmas with the brake booster out.
     
    P-R-N-D-3-2-1, Oct 27, 2014
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  18. P-R-N-D-3-2-1

    P-R-N-D-3-2-1 Well-Known Member

    And its a real short list on what else uses the same booster...

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    P-R-N-D-3-2-1, Oct 27, 2014
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  19. alec296

    alec296 i need another buick

    Still same body type up to 87 b body. I can't see that much changed.
     
    alec296, Oct 27, 2014
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  20. alec296

    alec296 i need another buick

    Put a vacuum gauge on engine. Just to make sure you produce enough vaccum. Check valve can be bad here too.
     
    alec296, Oct 27, 2014
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