“new” neoprene seal leaks, will it stop?

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Deer, Sep 3, 2017.

  1. Deer

    Deer Well-Known Member

    I installed new ta-timingcover with neoprene seal in the end of summer 2016.
    I never drove the car after that, for a year. No leaks while standing or shorter idle.
    Until now when I started her up and been working on setting the timing,
    noticed oil leak between block and transmission (old sealing’s), AND some small amount
    drops from damper which I guess is from the new neoprene seal.

    Is it normal that they can leak in the beginning and stop leaking after a while, or have something gone wrong?
     
  2. Stevem

    Stevem Well-Known Member

    Your leak unfortunately will not stop and your going to be forced to in the least pull the pan to make it right!
     
  3. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Leaks around front can come from a few things, check for bolt seepage clean the lip off real good and smear a nice tight bead of sealer over the joint. I do this after I bolt the pan down all the way around the perimeter, one it keeps the pan from loosening up and two it eliminates any seepage.

    Pull the balancer and check the snout it may be two wore to seal

    Where the dowel pins still in the block? Without them the cover won't center and it can leak.

    On the rear there again put some sealer on the last two bolt threads they go into the open area at the back of the block, oil will work up the threads and then down the pan, the seal on the pan to cap will piss if not done correctly also.

    Do some in-depth analysis first
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The new TA cover has a seal that installs from the front, no need to pull the cover, just the balancer. The front of the oil pan to block is another story.
     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2017
  5. JoeBlog

    JoeBlog Platinum Level Contributor

    If you've got oil dampness on the front edge of the pan below the balancer, check your fuel pump gasket as well. It'll travel down the side of the cover and collect there while the car is parked.
     
  6. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    Excess crankcase pressure? Faulty PCV system?
     
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  7. real82it

    real82it Silver Level contributor

    Oil from front and back....I agree, make sure you have adequate crank case ventilation first.
     
  8. Deer

    Deer Well-Known Member

    While searching for vacuum leaks, I plugged the PCV on carburetor and lot more
    smoke came up thru the open valve cover hole. I hope these minutes could be the reason.

    I will check fuelpump.

    Thanks
     
  9. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    More smoke? If there was ANY smoke coming out the breather with the PCV connected at idle, that engine has excess blow-by.

    At idle, with a functioning PCV, the crankcase should be vacuum-cleaned. Air flow should be INTO the crankcase, there will be no fumes coming out the vent.
     
  10. Deer

    Deer Well-Known Member

    :(

    I ordered a new PCV valve just to be sure after some backfiring.
    Received it today; Standard Motor V112, and when I tested it with my mouth I was surprised that it needed much suction to fully open when I hold it vertical like on the intake manifold, but it was easy when I hold it horizontal to make it open. Didn't feel right. Returned it.

    Could this be the reason why I have small small amount of smoke from the valve cover, bad PCV valve? My old one works when i suck on the hose.

    I will order an ACDelco 19310783 instead.

    I also have ruff idle, could be replaced cam by previous owner. How do I analyze and find the excess blow-by-problem? Make a leakdown test?
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2017
  11. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    The PCV needs to be calibrated to match the engine displacement and camshaft. Problem is, there's no calibration information listed anywhere. Best you can do is to find a PCV from a similar OEM engine, or buy the WILDLY expensive adjustable one.

    Finding the excess blow-by will likely involve a cylinder leakdown test. Unlike what you read in the magazines, a person needs to be experienced with the particular leakdown equipment being used. There's no "industry standard" for calibrating the indicated leakage, although the Federal Aviation Administration has a standard for aircraft use that I've adopted. I bought an FAA-compliant leakdown tester that also has a "master orifice" that can be used to "test the tester".

    Anyway, unless you're familiar with what "good" engines indicate with that piece of equipment, you won't know if your engine is reading good or bad.

    I've seen extremely-worn valve guides contribute to crankcase pressure--the exhaust gas blows through the valve-to-guide clearance and pressurizes the engine from the cylinder head. A restricted exhaust system makes this worse.
     
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  12. Deer

    Deer Well-Known Member

  13. 8ad-f85

    8ad-f85 Well-Known Member

    I would make sure you 'have an engine' before you go too far with the adjustable PVC.
    I haven't read much of the post, but the last few comments from Schurkey are incredibly insightful.
     
  14. D.S.R.E.455

    D.S.R.E.455 Active Member

    As for the front seal, take the dowels OUT put cover on with bolts loose, put balancer on and that will center the seal, tighten bolts and go.
    Fwiw
     
  15. HotRodRivi

    HotRodRivi Tomahawks sighted overseas

    Your opening up a timebomb, I would throw a pan under it , and cary a can of Oil i the trunk. Youl need a can opener too. Your can O oil will say brand X or maybe Acme oil. I hope you found this info insightful and very helpful.
     

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