Car will not start, Please Help!

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by Jimmy12, Mar 3, 2020.

  1. Jimmy12

    Jimmy12 Well-Known Member

    I’m gonna be honest sir, I’m not sure what you mean. As in pull out the dizzy rotate it slightly clockwise and throw it back in?
     
  2. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Do you see the teeth on the distributor gear that connects to the gear on the camshaft? That is the gear with the teeth in question. One method is to pull the distributor, rotate the gear one tooth, and drop it back in.
     
  3. Jimmy12

    Jimmy12 Well-Known Member

    I can definitely see the gear through the distributor hole. So then I will put the motor to tdc and then instead of pointing the rotor to number one point it slightly off clockwise so it goes in into the next tooth. Is that correct?
     
  4. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Yes, tdc on the compression stroke on cylinder 1, point the rotor at cylinder 8, and then drop it in. The way the gears are oriented, the rotor should end up pointing towards 1.
     
  5. Jimmy12

    Jimmy12 Well-Known Member

    That’s what ive been doing I feel like, earlier Larry confirmed my dizzy 180 degrees off so I turned it and I dropped it in a little bit before my Mark for no 1 to compensate for when it actually sits it turns a bit. It ended up perfectly on number one. But jonriv67 mentioned that it may be a tooth off so I’m wondering if I have to pull it out and rotate it clockwise bit so it engages on the next tooth
     
  6. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    It sounds like you correctly installed it the first time, good job on that. Next, you know how sparks tend to jump distances, right?
    If you line up the terminal of cylinder 1 perfectly and then advance the distributor, rotate the dizzy the width of the metal tang at the end of the rotor. That should be roughly 10 degrees of advance. My old shop teacher taught me that.

    You're so close to getting this right. If you had someone else on the board there, it would be running in 15 minutes maximum.
     
  7. Jimmy12

    Jimmy12 Well-Known Member

    You mean that tab that sticks up on the center of the rotor? Thank you I appreciate the positivity!!
     
  8. yachtsmanbill

    yachtsmanbill Well-Known Member

    If you advance it one tooth, youll have easier movement to bring it up to tdc on the distributor. Youll need to advance the oil pump "about" one tooth as well to get it to drop into place. Youll actually need to advance it one tooth extra to get it to drop onto the correct tooth, again, due to the gear helix. Make sure its seated, and snugged enough to hold its position but still be able to turn for an initial start. None of this install requires "forcing". Maybe a little assistance, but if you need to hammer it in something isnt right. Rub a little grease on the O ring too. Eliminate that condenser. New electronics dont rely on external silencers. Sounds like yer almost home. Its a good learning lesson!

    Your chain wasnt the issue with that steel gear . Loose isn't good but that wasn't "loose enough" to be a problem. An hour of running and its gonna loosen up quite a bit. ws
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2020
  9. Jimmy12

    Jimmy12 Well-Known Member

    Copy, I kno what u mean, it’s only a slight pressure I need to put the dizzy all the way down, thank you guys again for the replies I will mess with it tomorrow and hopefully get her to start it will make my work week easier
     
  10. yachtsmanbill

    yachtsmanbill Well-Known Member

    This will cause your drive pin to shear. Mine ran fine with good oil pressure but the pump was set too dang tight! ws

     
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  11. Jimmy12

    Jimmy12 Well-Known Member

    So the tighter the better? Or vice versa? Sorry man I work on F-16s lol
     
  12. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    If you like your oil pumps like your women, you're gonna have low oil pressure:D

    Tighter is better, but don't let the gears bind
     
  13. Jimmy12

    Jimmy12 Well-Known Member

    Copy lol
     
  14. Jimmy12

    Jimmy12 Well-Known Member

    The cars all you have is like damn I wish I can have mine like that one day. Just saying
     
  15. Donuts & Peelouts

    Donuts & Peelouts Life's 2 Short. Live like it.

    Don't wish. Do.
    Just don't do do while you try to do.
     
  16. Jimmy12

    Jimmy12 Well-Known Member

    $
     
  17. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Jimmy its an absolute battle to have a car as nice as the guys here on the board. If it isn't sweat and tears, its blood and gears. Something is being poured into this car and this lifestyle, it just depends on the day and the maintenance item. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither were any of our cars. I'm just 20, but this board has changed my perspective on old cars. These guys care, and want the younger guys to learn.
     
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  18. Jimmy12

    Jimmy12 Well-Known Member

    I appreciate that, I’m 31 and I got to enjoy this car in my early twenties. It was rusted and beat down but havin a classic in the south side of Chicago in your twenties was an accomplishment. I put money sweat and tears into this car. My wife suggested selling it but I can’t do that. I’ve been through thick and thin with this car. My father in law before he passed a few years ago helped me get this car where it’s at so for it not to run is just a bit frustrating. I’ve never had it happen before. But I appreciate all of you. Like I said before all you have helped me way more these last few weeks than anyone has over the years. Thank you
     
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  19. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Yeah, like Bill said, I don't think the TC was the problem either. And it looks like you have air, fuel and spark.

    That being said, here are a few other things to consider;

    Fouled spark plugs, if your plugs are fouled the odds to get your car to fire with points ignition isn't very good! The fix would be new spark plugs.

    If the plugs are good to go then the next thing to look for is;

    Bad gas, if this started shortly after you got fuel this could be the problem?

    Or some asshat maybe put sugar or something else in you gas tank to ruin the gas so your car won't run?

    To make sure you have good gas, disconnect the inlet hose to your fuel pump and get a length of fuel hose that will reach a gas can of some sort with known good gas in it. I hope this helps, good luck.
     
  20. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    If you were going very very budget minded, you could wash your old spark plugs with brake clean and then water, and let them dry

    EDIT: STOP GIVING DRUNK ADVICE LATE AT NIGHT
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2020
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