Too much total timing?

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by Tripple7, May 4, 2020.

  1. Tripple7

    Tripple7 Well-Known Member

    This is what it looks like: [​IMG] ,[​IMG]
     
  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    There is nothing showing. Click Upload a File.
     
  3. Tripple7

    Tripple7 Well-Known Member

    Sorry. Finger trouble 20200505_212011.jpg 20200505_212106.jpg 20200505_212106.jpg
     

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  4. Tripple7

    Tripple7 Well-Known Member

    Hey Ralf,
    The distributor is still in the car. Hard to measure the gap with all the stuff around it.
    I will let you know when I take it out.
    LG
    Olli
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Pop a brass bushing on there from the Mr. Gasket kit.
     
  6. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Yeah the stock plastic bushings disappear after 20 or 30 years then you have 4 deg more advance with same initial timing....not a good thing....the demise of many BBBs
     
  7. Tripple7

    Tripple7 Well-Known Member

  8. Tripple7

    Tripple7 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the clarification. I was not aware of that!
     
  9. Tripple7

    Tripple7 Well-Known Member

    Hey Larry,
    I installed the crane Kit today following your instructions.
    I have just not been able to get the bushing, so I just made one out of a piece of hard rubber.
    Lets see it that works in combination with the crane springs..
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  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yeah, that should work.
     
  11. Cutlass

    Cutlass Platinum Level Contributor

    THX! I will post the dimensions of my distributor late today, or tomorrow.
     
  12. Cutlass

    Cutlass Platinum Level Contributor

  13. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    Larry - do the HEI units have that bushing?
     
  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    No. The amount of advance is affected by the center piece and shape of the weights.
     
  15. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    Thanks!
     
  16. Tripple7

    Tripple7 Well-Known Member

    Ok, finally I had the time to measure the mount of advance and set the timing accordingly.
    Car was warmed up after some autobahn driving.
    I checked three times and here are the numbers:
    - Initial timing 14* @ 770 RPM Idle in P w/o VA
    - Total timing @ 2500 RPM : 28* w/o VA
    (Using my selfmade rubber bushing and crane's yellow/yellow springs)
    - Idle with VA connected to intake vacuum (14inHg): 34* @ 970 RPM, 20 PSI oil press.
    - @ 2800RPM 41* with everything connected.
    - Idle in D everything connected: 25* @ 680 RPM and 10 PSI of oil pressure.

    I know, I should have a bit more mech. Adv.
    Will fix that as son as I get the right bushings.
    Any thoughts?
     
    Last edited: May 28, 2020
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  17. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    That's about right. If you move your initial to 20*, you'll have 32*. The only problem might be cranking it hot. You might want to restrict your vacuum advance to 10* if you get any part throttle ping or surge. Looks good.
     
  18. Tripple7

    Tripple7 Well-Known Member

    Great! Thank you guys.
    One last thing: how do I know if the adjustable spring for the VA has the right tension?
    Now its set right in the middle..
    Only by detecting the Ping?
     
  19. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yes, part throttle ping or surge. If it surges at steady state cruise speed, there is too much advance from the canister. If it pings when you transition from steady state cruise to moderate acceleration, the advance from the canister isn't going away fast enough when you get on it. The spring tension affects the rate of vacuum advance, what vacuum it starts at, and what vacuum it is all in at. Also, how fast it decreases with decreasing vacuum. Vacuum must overcome spring tension for the canister to add advance.
     
  20. Tripple7

    Tripple7 Well-Known Member

    Perfect Larry, a big Danke!
    For me the problem is solved and all questions answered!
     
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