where should I look for my build sheet in a convertible

Discussion in 'The ragtop shop' started by preopstud, Mar 26, 2004.

  1. preopstud

    preopstud Well-Known Member

    Hi guys,

    Im really new to this whole car thing and Im trying to find the build sheet in my 72 skylark convertible, everyone locally I as says look under the read deck lid...I dont have one where else should I look, and while I have your attention does anyone have any warnings they want to give me before I dive into this project!!!

    Thanks a lot
     
  2. GStage1

    GStage1 Always looking for parts!

    Most common areas for build sheet:

    1. Under back seat bottom cushion
    2. Behind driver's door panel
    3. Behind driver's kick panel
    4. Behind instrument cluster
    5. Under frt seat
    6. Under carpet
    7. Under driver's side A-pillar cover
     
  3. ardun53

    ardun53 sky view

    One more place?

    Hey how about on the top of the gas tank?:Do No:
     
  4. GStage1

    GStage1 Always looking for parts!

    The one on the gas tank is not a build sheet. It is called a Production Body Order - Final. See our site below for a pic of each.
     
  5. Duane

    Duane Member

    George,
    I generally don't do this but I want to clarify this matter for everyone.

    If a 70-72 GS/Skylark or a big buick, came from the Flint Production Plant it either had a Production Order Body Final or a Production Order Chassis Paint sheet on top of the gas tank. They did not come with the GMAD "Chevy Style" buildsheet, like the one you have shown on your website. Those sheets were used at all the other (GMAD) production plants.

    So, I would really like to know why you think a Production Order Body Final, or Production Order Chassis Paint, sheet is not a build sheet, since those were the sheets used to build the cars on the Flint assembly line.
    Duane
     
  6. bignastyGS

    bignastyGS Maggot pilot

    You may also find another cars buildsheet as we recently did.Get this,it was for an L78 SS ElCamino no less.We also recently found a buildsheet that was in the left side of the dash cluster area (in the side of the body)that you had to remove the cluster to find it.
    Pat
     
  7. preopstud

    preopstud Well-Known Member

    under the fuel tank it is thanks guys
     
  8. Duane

    Duane Member

    preopstud,

    Getting back to your question;
    If your car was built in Flint, the buildsheets would be on top of the gas tank. Some cars also had a large body build sheet stuffed up in the dash, near the driver side windshield pillar post.

    If your car is from another production plant, they are usually attached to the springs on the rear seat.

    There are also small 4"X5" sheets that are sometimes attached to the springs of the front seats. They don't have much info, and were used by fisher body to build the shell and interior.

    These are the usual places, but they can be found elsewhere.
    Duane
     
  9. GStage1

    GStage1 Always looking for parts!

    Duane,
    The ones I have listed on our site are from Buick Skylark GS models. The build sheet is from Steve Everist's 71 GS455. The tank sheet is from my 70 GS. I never considered the gas sheet to be a build sheet since it has to be decoded and does not tell you what dealer the car was going to be shipped. Also, from my experience, I think I have found only 3-4 gas tank sheets that matched the actual car after dismantling over 50 A-bodies in the local yards and at my house. When I found the build sheet, it has always matched the car I was taking apart.

    Let me know why there are two different names and why two different formats for the sheets. My understanding was the build sheet was in the car, on the car, so as the car went down the line, those options were to be installed on/in the car.

    The gas tank sheet went with the chassis as it went down the line. At some point down the line the body would be placed on the chassis. Maybe this explains the mismatched tank sheets???
     
  10. 70 gsconvt

    70 gsconvt Silver Level contributor

    I found mine behind the driver's kick panel.
     
  11. Duane

    Duane Member

    George,
    This is a good discussion, and I will probably submit an edited version to Rick for The Build Sheet. Here is what I have figured out or been told from people that worked at the plants.

    In the Flint plant only Buicks were produced, just as in the Lansing plant only Oldsmobiles were produced. These two plants were run by their respective Gm divisions, not by GM itself. They used their own way of coding information, and therefore had their own style build sheets. For the 68-72 Flint cars these "build sheets" would have been either a Production Order Body Final (POBF), or a Production Order Chassis Paint (POCP).

    You are correct that these sheets use a different manufacturing code then anything else, and that they need decoded. Some of the Assembly line workers were issued small booklets that would fit into their pockets. These booklets decoded all the info on these sheets. I actually have a few of these "factory" booklets, and with their help, have been able to deduce the codes from other years. (I will try to scan a picture from a front cover and post it on this thread later today.)

    At the other production plants, like Framingham, Fremont, Leeds, etc., Buicks were produced along with other brand cars. I think in Framingham Mass. they produced Chevrolets, Oldsmobiles, and Buicks. These plants were run by GM, and used the build sheet like the one on your web site from Steve Everists Fremont built car. These plants often substituted Chevy or other brand parts for Buick parts. I have decoded several Framingham Buicks with Oldsmobile emergency brake cable part numbers. These sheets carry a ton of info, basically listing all the major components that were used to assemble the car. But a sheet this detailed would not be needed in a production plant that specialized in 1 model only. Thats why Flint built Buicks and Lansing built Oldsmobiles could have their own style sheets.

    George, you are a very knowledgeable and well-respected person in the Buick community, your name carries a lot of clout with it. I just wanted to help set the record straight about the Flint build sheets.
    Your friend.
    Duane
     
  12. Duane

    Duane Member

    Here is the front cover from one of the booklets. Sorry about the cat hair, Annie is shedding and won't stay off the scanner.
    Duane
     

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  13. Duane

    Duane Member

    Here is the first page showing that it's for the Flint cars.
    Duane
     

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  14. GStage1

    GStage1 Always looking for parts!

    Duane,
    EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!!!:beer

    I would love to see an article in the BPG newsletter and I would also like to have that on our site too!

    I also own 2 Corvettes, 69 conv, 71 T-top. What is nice about those tank sheets is they look almost identical to the window sticker. Amazing the variety at GM plants.

    Thanks for the info and looking forward to learning more!:grin:
     
  15. Duane

    Duane Member

    George,
    I will put together an article. If you give me an e-mail address I will send you a copy to use on your website.
    Duane
     
  16. GStage1

    GStage1 Always looking for parts!

  17. Bob 70_GSConv

    Bob 70_GSConv Midlife Crisis-Full Swing

    Found mine on top of the gas tank and sent it to Duane for decoding. I highly recommend Duane's service and he charges very little for it.
     

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