Vacuum pump vs hydroboost for power brakes

Discussion in 'The whoa and the sway.' started by 72gs4spd, Jan 22, 2021.

  1. 72gs4spd

    72gs4spd Well-Known Member

    I’m in the process of upgrading the 350 in 72 GS. I’ll mostly likely have 10” possibly 12” of vacuum at idle. My machinist recommends a pump. Anyone with experience with either? I thinking of using the rotary pump from Leed Brakes.
     
  2. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Last edited: Jan 22, 2021
  3. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    All the vacuum pump setups Jegs, Summit, Comp cams, SSBC, etc. sell are on the noisy side for my liking. They all use that same pump.
     
  4. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    For regular driving a vac can is all you need
     
  5. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    He might be able to with 10-12, I sure can't with only 6".
     
  6. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    10" is minimum for power brakes. I have 14-15" in Park at 900 RPM, and 12" in gear at 750. My brakes are fine. Why is your vacuum so low? Big cam?
     
  8. 72gs4spd

    72gs4spd Well-Known Member

    Yes on the big cam TA roller .597 in and ex with .289/.284 duration 113 lobe separation. Guess I’ll see what my actual vacuum and brake function is once the motor finished. Then make a decision on what to do. Thanks all for the input
     
  9. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Since your cam is the same as Mike Jr's, is he having low vacuum issues?
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Rollers make more vacuum then you think they would. Running locked out timing with a crank retard helps a lot.
     
  11. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Correct me if i'm wrong here, but wouldn't a can "fill" more on a deceleration than at idle? Manifold vacuum has to skyrocket when the throttle blades are closed and the engine is at speed.. I would think the idle vacuum wouldn't matter much with a can.
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yes, you also get vacuum at steady state cruise. The can stores it for when you need it.
     
  13. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    If there is only 6" and you stop and use your stored vacuum, then need to stop again quickly, how does the can get up to 15" with only 6" feeding it?
    I have my pump kick on every time brake is touched, just to keep booster topped off.
     
  14. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    The booster should not be completely out of vacuum with only one stop, even with the engine off. It should be good for 2-3 stops
     
  15. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    The can stores a good amount of vacuum. While you might only have 6" of vacuum at idle, as soon as you get past 1500 RPM or so, the vacuum level comes right up to 20" or so. Put a vacuum gauge on your engine and bring the RPM up. See where your vacuum goes to.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2021
  16. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    They are great for repeated quick braking but in normal use,.. you'll never have a problem
     
  17. 72gs4spd

    72gs4spd Well-Known Member

    It’s similar, my cam has longer duration as Mike suggested so I wouldn’t need the extensive head porting his heads have.
     
  18. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    My brakes work fine with 7 to 9"s hg
     
  19. Buickstaged

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  20. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Aren't those type pumps only designed for heat & a/c duct doors?
    I had one and sold it. It didn't seem to have fast recovery or move volume like the Hella UP28 or larger models.
     

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