Total brake rebuild

Discussion in 'The whoa and the sway.' started by BlackPumpkin, Jul 17, 2007.

  1. BlackPumpkin

    BlackPumpkin ComputerGuy turned CarGuy

    My 64 Wildcat desperately needs its brake system rebuilt. (As in, don't shift it into gear, you can't stop! :eek2: )

    Anyway, I'm planning on replacing/rebuilding all the components starting with the booster/master cyliner, then replacing the brake lines, then rebuilding each wheel system one at a time.

    Anything special I should know, and are the any good kits available? Or would I be just as well going to Napa/Advance whatever and getting stuff. (I've looked, they have what I need.)

    Oh yeah, all four brakes are still drum brakes, and they're staying that way. :TU:
     
  2. tlivingd

    tlivingd BIG BLOCK, THE ANTI PRIUS

    check out www.finelines.com, www.inlinetube.com, www.classictube.com
    they may have pre-bent lines for your car, if not many will make them for you if you can send them good examples to measure off of.

    not sure if your wildcat has a dual resivor master cylinder but now would be a great time to put one in if it dosen't for safetys sake.

    -nate
     
  3. BlackPumpkin

    BlackPumpkin ComputerGuy turned CarGuy

    Ok, thanks for the info. Where would I find a dual reservoir master cylinder that fits a 64 Cat? :)
     
  4. BlackPumpkin

    BlackPumpkin ComputerGuy turned CarGuy

    The only master cylinders I can find at any of the common auto parts stores are single reservoir remakes. Any ideas for a dual reservoir?
     
  5. tlivingd

    tlivingd BIG BLOCK, THE ANTI PRIUS

    Do a search here. I'm not familar with the wildcats. Do a search on the board for dual master, a bunch of things will come up.

    -nate
     
  6. nailheadina67

    nailheadina67 Official Nailheader

    Don't forget you'll need a distribution valve with that master cylinder. And also, since you're replacing the whole kit and kaboodle......now's the best time to switch to silicone fluid. That's the best move I ever made on mine, no regrets whatsoever. And it don't eat paint like dot3 brake fluid does. :idea2:
     
  7. BlackPumpkin

    BlackPumpkin ComputerGuy turned CarGuy

    I did a search like tlivingd suggested, and now it seems like I'm making progress!

    My current idea is to get a 67 Wildcat master cylinder, as I think it'd be better to stick with the same model, and that seems to be the first year of the dual masters.

    But I need to get a brake booster too, and I don't know if I should get a 64 booster, or get a 67 to more precisely match the cylinder?

    And what kind of advantages would silicone fluid offer me?
     
  8. tlivingd

    tlivingd BIG BLOCK, THE ANTI PRIUS

    I can't tell you about the booster. you may also need a power booster type push rod from the pedal.

    IMHO for a street driven car non-concours resto i wouldn't recommend silicone fluid.

    Silicone fluid does not have the ability to absorb moisture from the system like DOT 3 does. DOT 3 actually suspends water molicules within itself so the moisture dosen't "pool" in one spot allowing it to flash to steam or to expand when it gets hot if it were to collect in one area.

    on a concours car it makes sence because many times people paint their brake components to look factory fresh and you don't want the paint to be washed away from the fluid.
     
  9. Truzi

    Truzi Perpetual Student

    If you bend the lines yourself, make sure you have a tool that will double-flare.
     
  10. tlivingd

    tlivingd BIG BLOCK, THE ANTI PRIUS

    auto parts store double flaring tool :blast::blast:
     
  11. BlackPumpkin

    BlackPumpkin ComputerGuy turned CarGuy

    I think I'll probably go with the 67 booster, just so I know it'll match up with the master cylinder. I think I'll also stick with DOT3, too, as this is gonna be more of a street car. It won't be concours, I don't have the time or patience for that! :)

    Indeed, I'll be bending my own brakes lines I think, so I'll have to get a few more tools here soon...
     
  12. BlackPumpkin

    BlackPumpkin ComputerGuy turned CarGuy

    Well, I'm still working on this. :)

    I got the 67 master cylinder and the 67 booster, but the booster is too big. I should have read more on the website, it's almost 2 whole inches larger in diameter! :Dou:

    So now I have to take it back, and get a 64 booster instead. The only problem with that, is that the push rod is too long. :Dou:

    Either I take apart the booster and grind down the push rod to fit with the cylinder, or I find another year/model that has a 9" diameter with a push rod that barely sticks out of the booster. :(
     
  13. DUTCH WILDCAT

    DUTCH WILDCAT 64 wildcat

    you can order two type's off mastercylinders bendix with deep pistonhole and moraine with shallow piston hole.

    i have a 75 mastercylinder from a riv when i swapped my drums in the front for discs on my 64 cat(i have also a deeppistonhole they send me 2 times a shallowpistonhole mastercylinder)

    wilfred
     
  14. BlackPumpkin

    BlackPumpkin ComputerGuy turned CarGuy

    That's a good idea, I'll order one tomorrow. It fits fine with your 64 booster (which I assume you didn't change out)?

    Also, does anyone know if aluminum pipes can be used for brake lines? I wouldn't have to worry about rust, but would they be strong enough? Or am I just better off sticking with the regular steel ones?
     
  15. DUTCH WILDCAT

    DUTCH WILDCAT 64 wildcat


    Didn't change my brakebooster bolted right on to it.
     
  16. nailheadina67

    nailheadina67 Official Nailheader

    Never use aluminum or copper in hydraulic brake lines, it can burst. Stainless is OK, but good luck trying to flare it. :rant:
     
  17. DUTCH WILDCAT

    DUTCH WILDCAT 64 wildcat

    i used cunifer lines
     
  18. BlackPumpkin

    BlackPumpkin ComputerGuy turned CarGuy

    I looked up those Cunifer lines, and they say they're 90 percent copper. Does the fact that it's mixed with nickel mean that it doesn't have the problems that normal copper tubing has?

    Oh, and where did you get yours?
     
  19. I bought pre-bent stuff from Inline Tube.
     
  20. DUTCH WILDCAT

    DUTCH WILDCAT 64 wildcat

    I bought mine in the netherlands(that's where i live) in a local carstore,and i bended and flared the lines my self.
     

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