Recommended radiator fluid for street and sometimes strip use

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Pro69GS400, Mar 21, 2021.

  1. Pro69GS400

    Pro69GS400 Well-Known Member

    What is recommended fluid for aluminum head and aluminum radiator car that is street and strip friendly if possible. I know tracks don’t like typical antifreeze so what is used commonly. Does everyone run water then antifreeze later for cold weather?
     
  2. john.schaefer77

    john.schaefer77 Well-Known Member

    Antifreeze/water mix. Distilled water, no track I have been at cares. The waterless stuff costs a fortune but seems neat.
     
  3. Max Damage

    Max Damage I'm working on it!

    I don't think water is ever recommended because it lacks the anti-rust additives.
     
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  4. BrianTrick

    BrianTrick Brian Trick

    I run a mix. More coolant than water.
     
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  5. bobc455

    bobc455 Well-Known Member

    Pure water will cause a bunch of issues - corrosion, bearing wear, and sometimes the dissimilar metals thing. If you aren't allowed to run any antifreeze (and you live in a climate that doesn't freeze) then you could run distilled water + RMI-25 (or maybe there is something similar). But ideally you want minimum 40% ethylene glycol (green) antifreeze + distilled water.

    And all antifreeze needs to be flushed out every five years or less.

    -Bob C.
     
  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    You can run 100% water with a product like Red Line Water Wetter,

    https://www.redlineoil.com/waterwetter

    That is the way to go with a Race Car, or a street car that never sees ambient temperatures below freezing. Anti Freeze hurts heat transfer, the more you run, the worse your heat transfer. That is why the container warns of mixtures above 70%. I had a neighbor who had overheating problems using 100% anti freeze.

    In warm climates, I suggest 25% anti freeze, distilled water, and a bottle of water wetter. Boost it up if necessary in the winter.
     
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  7. Super Bald Menace

    Super Bald Menace Frame off oil changes

    you definitely need something more than just water when you have aluminum parts. Electrolysis and corrosion happen rapidly and can damage those parts quickly
     
  8. Stevem

    Stevem Well-Known Member

    If you can afford the stuff , Evans brand coolant is absolutely the best, period!!
     
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  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The water wetter provides the corrosion protection for all metals in the cooling system.
     
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  10. Pro69GS400

    Pro69GS400 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for replies. I do live in the Midwest so I do have to worry about freezing. Like right now I’ve had the car out and temps are still dipping below freezing at night. I don’t have a lot,of experience with track use yet but I have read where they don’t like antifreeze on there track. I’ve seen water wetter, I’ll read more on that. I definitely want to prevent electrolysis and any other build up of minerals.
     
  11. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    They don't ask or check what you are running at the track. I have always run anti freeze at the track. I wouldn't be concerned about that.
     
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  12. Pro69GS400

    Pro69GS400 Well-Known Member

    Thanks again....
     
  13. Briz

    Briz Founders Club Member

    I run the Evans in the Riv and a light coolant / water mixture in the race car.
     
  14. CanadaCat

    CanadaCat Well-Known Member

    The only time the local track here wants water only is for dedicated track cars, mostly stripped down bracket racers for seasonal points competitions. If it’s for street legal/test and tune etc, they usually don’t care unless it’s leaking.
     
  15. Gary Bohannon

    Gary Bohannon Well-Known Member

    Any particular brand?
    Some containers have no indication whether they are green, red for whatever.
     
  16. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    You'll need a catch can at the track. Thats the only stipulation with running antifreeze that I van remember.
     
  17. Gary Bohannon

    Gary Bohannon Well-Known Member

    What is the best brand of antifreeze for aluminum heads and radiator?
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2021
  18. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    For aluminum parts, on both cars, I bought a gallon of RMI-25.
    (not specifically speaking to the racing/track issue, just FYI)

    Add 8 ounces every 12k miles.
    For my 2 cars, it will last a long time.
     
  19. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    What people seem to forget is that one of the reasons to run antifreeze is to raise the boiling point. When a hot motor is shutoff heat soak causes the water in the block and especially heads to go well above the boiling point of water. With plain water you will get steam and boiling in the heads.
    Yes 15lb radiator cap raises boiling point some but not enough in many conditions.

    It is really antifreeze/antiboil.

    Track only cars often over cool so they don't even reach 200 after a pass even with heat soak. They can get away with it....
     
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  20. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I have to disagree Bruce,

    Water boils at sea level at 212* F. Ethylene Glycol coolant raises that to 226*F. For every 1 psi of pressure in the system, the boiling point goes up 3*. 15 psi raises the boiling point 45*, so pressure is responsible for most of the boiling point elevation. Ethylene Glycol does not transfer heat as well as water. That is why instructions on the container say no more than 70% concentrations. I had a neighbor who actually had a chronic overheating problem with his Toyota Camry. He was lost until he told me that he used 100% anti freeze. We drained and diluted the coolant with distilled water, and his problem was gone. The main function of Ethylene Glycol coolant is freeze and corrosion protection, and maybe water pump seal maintenance. You can get the corrosion protection from products like Red line water wetter. For those that live in areas where freeze protection is largely unneeded, the less anti freeze, the better. Race vehicles are way better off with water and a corrosion additive.
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2021
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