Oil pressure - no oil pressure - oil prssure!

Discussion in 'Race 400/430/455' started by alan, Dec 4, 2009.

  1. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    I ran the car at the track today, and on the return road I noticed the oil pressure guage display was blinking and showing 8psi. I idled back to the pits and cut it off. After it cooled off a little I cranked it back up and it still showed 8psi. Then a thought popped in my head! I cut it back off, turned the key on, it still showed 8psi! So it had 0 oil pressure from some point on the track all the way back to the pits! No valve train noise or knocking that I could tell.

    Back at the shop I pulled the dist out and stuck the oil pump primer in. After running for about 5 seconds, it had oil pressure again.

    What's going on? :Do No:
     
  2. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Check the bottom of the distributor shaft to see if the interface between it and the oil pump shaft has sheared. Just a guess.

    Devon
     
  3. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    It looks OK. The teeth on the gear look a little chewed on, though.
     
  4. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    Bad gauge?
     
  5. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    There's actually 2 gauges, a digital gauge and an old mechanical gauge. The mechanical one is harder to see, so I usually look at the digital one.



    The mechanical gauge showed 20 lbs, the digital one showed 67! At this point I'm willing to pull them both out and chunk them in the trash can.

    I just had an ugly thought. I've heard of blocks cracking at the main web but the girdle keeping everything together, and the oil pressure not acting right.
     
  6. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    Although this won't diagnose nor help your oil pressure problems but I have a Autometer oil light mounted right next to my tach and shift light. I see it as a little insurance policy. I know I am busy looking at the tach and shift light and not down at the gauges so if I ever have a total loss of oil pressure I want that bright red light to come on right in front of me. Hope you find the problem and it isn't serious :pray:

    Bill
     
  7. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    If all checks out ok with your oil pump, and dist. drive gear, remove your timing cover and then your timing gear and chain, check to see if your main galley oil plugs didnt pop out, more so the pass.side plug. I just had this happen on my 350, the only noise I noticed were the lifters started chattering, then I looked at my AUTOMETER MECHANICAL oil press. guage, it showed 0 psi, thats when I shut it down.
    Ditch the digital guage, those are for show cars of the early 80's not for serious monitoring of the engines operating condition. Mark
     
  8. Staged70Lark

    Staged70Lark Well-Known Member

    Alan,

    This problem is sometims tough to diagnose. I can tell you about an issue we once had.

    Oil pressure was fine. We would get to the starting line and was fine. About 100 feet after the launch the car would shut off because of my low oil pressure switch. I later found out that the bottom of the oil pan was "oil canning" and sucking up against the oil pickup.

    Let us know what you find!
     
  9. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    Does anyone need copper flakes for a paint job? :Dou:

    Pulled the oil filter off and it's full of metal. I don't know what came first, the engine chewing on itself or the oil pressure weirdness. It has to come out now anyway, so along with whatever else it needs, it will be getting an oiling system upgrade!
     
  10. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Sorry to hear this, Alan. I was hoping it was something less severe.

    Devon
     
  11. Nothingface5384

    Nothingface5384 Detail To Oil - Car Care

    That really sucks man
    hope it isnt down for to long
     
  12. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    If it's like everything else I work on, it should be back together by 2017 or so! :Dou:


    I REALLY want to take it to the Nats in May!!!!!
     
  13. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    That's bad news, but if you have to find a silver lining somewhere it would be that you caught it before more severe damage occurred.

    Bill
     
  14. dreeesh

    dreeesh Well-Known Member

    Check The Cam Bearings!!!!
     
  15. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    I think I'll pull the front cover off first. I hope the cam isn't goobered, I really like it!
     
  16. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    Update: Turbo engine still does not play well with transmissions! :Dou:

    Looks like the S.P. converter ballooned and ate the thrust bearing.


    Maybe it needs a Lenco! :idea2:
     
  17. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Yikes, Alan. I don't think I've heard of anyone reinforcing a VP converter to resist that much pounding, don't know if it can be done. It may well be time to look at alternatives.

    Devon
     
  18. all455

    all455 Well-Known Member

    i was talked away from s/p about 15 yrs ago and never went back
    divorse the s/p and get a quality converter i like midwest out of rockford
    arent conveters made to balloon a little?make sure the body converter you/they choose has enough room to grow a little
    ken
     
  19. Larry J

    Larry J Stuck on Buick

    Watch the converter has clearance between it and the flexplate. If the converter balooned it will not return to it's original shape and you'll have virtually no clearance when you try to push the converter back into the transmission. If someone pulled the trans onto the block when installing it that will take out the pump and bearing too, and you'll have no clearance-usually people notice no clearance when they have done that but sometimes they just force the converter around to bolt it up. It should have 1/16" min -3/16" max clearance between converter and flexplate otherwise if not enough it will push the oil pump gears into the stator in the pump as well as the crank into the thrust bearing. Too much clearance and it will dissengage the pump gears, or barely drive them. Excessive trans pressure can add to the problem too as far as balooning is concerned, but this usually is only in -3 kit or manual valve body units that get driven daily.

    I guess what I am saying is check the clearance and have the pump pulled out by a trans shop to confirm if it is damaged before it goes back in. Maybe even check the line pressure in drive on a stall test when you put it back in, or before you pull it if you get engine oil pressure back first.
    Hope the new year goes better. :beer
     
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2010
  20. Nothingface5384

    Nothingface5384 Detail To Oil - Car Care

    was this a stock sp converter or from from jimweise/trisheild performance???

    cause i'm still flipping to th400 to sp400
     

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