anyone run one of these? DESCRIPTION ... KEISLER Rallye Sport "RS" 5-speed The evolution of the Keisler T45RS line started back in 2007, the Keisler RS 5-Speed product line takes our overdrive transmission systems to a higher level of quality, value and performance. 1) A Perfect Fit Thanks to an all new feature rich extension housing case and a heavily revised shift system, we are able to package the RS as a PerfectFit for a no cutting, no compromise fit in most popular muscle cars and classic sports cars. PerfectFit with the RS is standard - not an upcharge (like our tremec tko perfectfit kits). More than 15 shifter handle mounting positions exist for all popular domestic cars, sport trucks and kit cars. > GM A-body NO CUTTING - For the first time ever, owners of Chevelle, GTO, Skylark, 442 will be able to install a 5-Speed with NO CUTTING to the tunnel ... a major improvement over our tko perfectfit kits. The RS provides uncompromised driveline angle and assures your engine won't be tilted back with exhaust headers pointing down to the ground, and you won't have driveshaft vibration - typical problems found when a tko is installed. > GM F-body NO CUTTING - owners of Camaro and Firebirds will no longer have to notch the shifter hole and use a compromised boot sealing arrangement (req'd by tko). > Corvette NO CUTTING - the main advantage of RS for Corvette owners is that there is no compromise of the driveline angle, and there is MUCH more clearance between the transmission and floor tunnel. > GM B-body, NO CUTTING - For the first time ever, owners of Bel Air, Impala, Biscayne and other apps will be able to install a 5-Speed without the major tunnel surgery typical of the tko. > GM X-body and other apps like Cobra kit car having a shallow tunnel will greatly benefit by the RS PerfectFit design, allowing installation with little (gen 1) to no mod (gen 2) to the floor tunnel, while keeping perfect shifter position. Again, these 2) Unsurpassed Shift Quality, High RPM Shifts, NO 2-3 Misssed Shifts Thanks to the Borg Warner designed carbon fiber lined Blocker Rings in all gears, and Double Friction Cone system in 1st and 2nd gears, the RS features the best shift quality of any aftermarket manual transmission (including tremec tko, 3550, 3650, t5, t56, Richmond). At Keisler, we redesigned the shift systems of reverse, added bearing support under the shift forks and other portions of the single rail system. While the BW T45 was designed several years after BW T56, and shares it's synchro system design, the shift quality is even better than T56 because the shifter rail/fork/interlock system has less mass and fewer joints. The result is a very nimble shifter feel. Additionally, the advanced carbon lined synchro system has a much higher coefficient of friction than paper lined blockers, or just plain brass blockers (like TKO). The result is far less shift effort at the handle. The shift quality right out of the box is clean and smooth with no break-in, and a world of difference better than the best highly modified, proshifted TKO; withouth the big price adder. The Keisler RS cleanly shifts at 7000rpm - more than 1000rpm higher than TKO's 6000rpm cutoff. The RS has a guide plate shifter system unique to any manual 5-speed on the market. This guide plate mechanism cleanly guides the shifter in/out of gates 1-5 & R. A 2-3 miss shift so common to TKO - as many of you already know - is nearly impossible with the RS. I haven't been able to miss a 2-3 shift with the RS. 4) Close Ratio & Standard Ratio Gearsets Standard Ratio Gearset - 3.37, 1.99, 1.34, 1.0, .67 (1.38 step change in 1st, 33% RPM drop in overdrive) RS400 (400 torque): 1-1/16 x 10 spline input shaft, SAE 8620 nickel-moly steel alloy RS500 (500 torque): 1-1/8 x 26 spline input shaft, SAE 9310 chrome-nickel-moly high strength steel alloy, CNC ground gears Close Ratio Gearset (new)- 2.80, 1.99, 1.34, 1.0, .67 (.81 step change in 1st, 33% drop in overdrive) RS600 (600 torque): 1-1/8 x 26 spline input shaft, SAE 9310 chrome-nickel-moly high strength steel alloy, CNC ground gears 3) Lower Cost and Better Value than previous offerings Keisler Engineering created the business of retrofitting Tremecs and have sold more than 13,000 of those units since 1999. The Keisler RS 5-Speed now sets the new benchmark of the flagship overdrive transmission system. And, we've managed to do it for hundreds of dollars less than the tko. And we're going here in the USA - gears, cases, shifter components
ps, you only need a bop muncie bellhouing to mate it to a BOP engine :bglasses: bast of a borg warner t65 case which is said to essentialy be a 5-speed version of the t-56. they're taking preorders for the rs600 now, and should officially be out end of december
I should be installing one this summer/ fall, as of now i am sold on this tranny, my plans are to give Keisler a down payment this month, and order the whole kit this summer when im in the gulf, and have it sitting in my garage when i get home in July.
I called Keisler and am pretty excited about this trans. 5 speed overdrive, very good ratio options, no floor cutting for A-bodies, no shifting issues like the Tremec and reasonably priced. Prob'ly requires a shorter driveshaft. They will be selling them this spring as a complete kit for our cars.
I think a lot of A body people are going to be excited about this. An extra gear without the huge growth that used to be your trans tunnel. I know that the 5335 Hurst repop handles arent perfect but if I had this trans I would buy one, drill two holes in it and mount it to the rs600 for a factory look.
Yes, its a really good product. I'm wondering how much extra it can really take..obviously more but 600 ft lbs is what they advertise it at. And damn, I need to either check my sentences or quit drinking haha
i Think there was a price on pro-touring, but can't find it at the moment.. But its a few hundred cheaper then the tko counterpart..perhaps more call up, they should have their "perfect fit" kit out by now
ps, theyre even offering a trade in program...trade in youre tko 5 or 6 speed for this trans...not sure if you had to actually purchase it from them or not but something to look into if you want to upgrade youre current manual 5 or 6 speed EDIT trade-ins are available weather you purchased from them or another vendor...but if you purchased from keisler then you'd obviously get more $$$ vale for youre trade-in
ps bare units(rs400) are 1395 bare kit for rs600 is $2095 RS400 (400 torque, standard ratio) Complete PerfectFit Kit $2295 RS500 (500 torque, standard ratio) Complete PerfectFit Kit $2595 RS600 (600 torque, close ratio) Complete PerfectFit Kit $2995
For Auto to Manual: it's Perfect Fit after the trans hump is replaced with 4spd hump (included I think). I got a quote 2 weeks ago with all the goodies: $2995 + BOP Bell housing - $230 Billet Flywheel - $270 Pro-touring clutch $300 Pedal Kit $100 Hydraulic Clutch $600 Other additionals came to total of $4900.
We were talking about this last night! It would be perfect for my 65 Skylark GS project. Ditch the T-10 2.2o:1 first gear and have OD. without cutting the floor up. What was kinda funny is I saw a Tremec Booth @ our Cavalcade of Customs car show and asked them about it - they knew nothing, because it is not a Tremec! It is a Kiesler.:laugh:
I have ordered an RS600 today. I will swap it for my M20 in the Gs455 clone i have just bought from another boardmember. But Keisler has a waitinglist and will not be able to ship my order before may.
Just ordered my kit today RS600 auto to manual kit, hydro. clutch. $4600 delivered, with my 5% military discount. minus pedals, shifter stick, boot , retaining ring and carpet, im getting them from the thepartsplaceinc.com , they are the only vender i know that stock the correct boot and ring. It will cost me about $5000 when all done.
Kelly, Do you have the correct part numbers for the items you're ordering from The Parts Place? Would sure be handy instead of using description part search.. and I'm a bit lazy. Thanks.
pedels: mt3633z, boot: cp9596s, retaining ring: cp9597z, and i ordered a shifter ball and stick, from summit racing. Hurst, black 5 speed shifter ball : huu-1630108 , Hurst shifter stick : huu538-7236
Thanks Kelly! Right after I asked I went to the Part Place and found the kit, all inclusive it appears. I'm strongly leaning toward the Husrt Driveline Conversions kit instead of the Keisler. I know I'll have to cut more out of my automatic tunnel but costs seem to be lower than the Perfect Fit and it will ship w/in 48 hours with no wait until May. I'm open to persuasion otherwise if someone has valid reasons for one kit over the other. I'm now going to look for Dave Kleiner to see if he's repopped the Buick shifter yet. Seems I read he was going to.
Husrt Driveline Conversions kit instead of the Keisler. I'm now going to look for Dave Kleiner to see if he's repopped the Buick shifter yet. im going with the RS mainly because of the close ratio 1-4 gears along with the 5th gear, the TKO has a lower first gear( kind of like a truck transmission) so the split is alot more from 1st to 2nd, the T10 does not have overdrive. also TKO's some times will miss shifts from 2nd to 3rd at higher rpms, and they are very limited after 6000 rpm, my moter will rev EZ to 6500+ and i shift at 6200 when i race it, so that is the main reason i want the RS also with it matching the close ratio fell of the original munci tranny . the parts place sells the Hurst shifter handle with the proper origilal # stamped it it. but i think it is over $200. IMO, the T-10 and the TKO is still a great transmission, just that IMO the RS600 is going to be something great, as long as it holds up.
Im also going with the quick time shatter shield bell houseing, i wont chance the stock cast aluminum one.
Dave Kleiner has ALL the correct 4spd parts. All I'll need from Hurst is the transmission and the shifter mechanism (Blackjack to offset for correct Buick position on the side). List from Dave (all Buick correct, not Chevy, GTO, Olds that you'll find elsewhere and have to make do - there ARE differences): Clutch linkage Pedals Flywheel Bellhousing Clutch Shift Hump (installed after Hurst Patch panel) Shift Boot Boot Ring Speedo Cable Chrome Shift Handle (again, Buick correct) Trans Mount 'Z' Bar
