Driveshaft Loop Needed?

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Bogus919, Aug 22, 2022.

  1. Gary Bohannon

    Gary Bohannon Well-Known Member

    The front of your drive shaft is driven by the transmission output shaft yolk. As it turns the u joint, it needs to compress the zirk, not pull.
    Same theory at the rear. You just determine which way things are turning when going foreward and push the against the zirk.
    Never PULL on a zirk (grease fitting). It it will pull apart.
     
  2. Bigpig455

    Bigpig455 Fastest of the slow....

    OK, so here's a new u joint. which way does it go in and why?
     

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  3. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

  4. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    DAAC1131-BB70-42F8-90B3-131C853096B9.jpeg Brett, it mounts between the tranni mount, the mount on the tail shaft housing of the turbo 400. Thats why i had to use the shorter Energy Suspension gm mount. The 3/16 plate plus the shorter mount, keep the tranni at the same height as the stock mount. Same principles would work on a turbo 350 or a Muncie
     
  5. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    3D72FB5E-0B78-4B25-A4E3-537F11CFB501.jpeg 7EA0423C-1BFC-42D7-AE1A-E5E2C94CBB43.jpeg Here is a picture showing the plate, the Energy Suspension mount
     
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  6. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Nicely done!
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Most times that I have seen a dropped driveshaft at the track, it ends up cracking the transmission case. Just wondering if a loop bolted to the mount like that would do the same as opposed to one mounted to the body floor pan.
     
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  8. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    That damage comes from stress going through the trans, the loop if the cause, will do that no matter where its mounted i think
     
  9. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    At the end of the day, the loop is a safety device. If ever needed, any fallout from shaft damage or tail shaft etc is minor compared to other possibilities if this event were to occur without the loop. Anyone needing a ds safety loop should already have upgraded u joints…..ie solid non greasable, and a proper performance driveshaft. For street driven cars, like mine, auto, with 3.5 aluminum ds, 1350 solid u joints…..the ds loop is a safety item that will likely never be required, but glad it’s there.
     
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  10. john.schaefer77

    john.schaefer77 Well-Known Member

    Is it OK to run poly trans mount and rubber engine mounts?
     
  11. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    I think that means the yoke has to be on the bearing before the fitting when turning clockwise looking forward. The drive shaft would be on the bearing after the fitting.

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    The yoke would be at bearings 2 and 4 and the driveshaft would be on bearings 1 and 3. The zerk would be compressed between bearings 2 and 3 in the diagram.
     
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  12. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    C7DD424D-F158-4A75-8F0A-03112BAF4249.jpeg Rubber engine, poly trans mount.....ill let you know how it goes. Let harden up, reinstall.
     
  13. john.schaefer77

    john.schaefer77 Well-Known Member

    Looks great.
     
  14. Gary Bohannon

    Gary Bohannon Well-Known Member

    Rotation of your of driveshaft or yolk, must push toward the zirk, never pull, (except in reverse).
     
  15. Jeremy Zepnick

    Jeremy Zepnick STEELMAN

    Looks like $50US overall to make? Looks good
     
  16. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    Well the Energy Suspension mount cost me $70 cdn, the steel was leftovers in the shop. So not sure what total costs would be. Ill post dimensions of components on the weekend.
     
  17. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    I can’t see running a weak stock driveshaft with a performance engine. I do run a loop on anything raced. Heck I have two loops on my 4x4 truck.
     
  18. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    I would advise to not use a poly mount with rubber mounts,....it can break the bell housing if it sees enough power,...a chain or torque strap/limiter will keep that from happening and improve chassis reaction
     
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  19. Bigpig455

    Bigpig455 Fastest of the slow....

    Thanks, and that makes sense except I've never seen a greasable u-joint (in our applications anyways) that had a biased fitting. they always feed directly into the body of the joint at the crook, and by that location are under constant opposing forces - one leg is pulling while the other is pushing with equal force. It doesnt sound like with the joint that I showed (or one like that) that there is any specific installation orientation that changes that.
     
  20. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    Hugger, good advice. Does anyone have a pic of a torque strap in their GS?
     

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