Beam torque wrench question for pinion preload

Discussion in 'Got gears?' started by Ryanjbill15, Jul 7, 2018.

  1. Ryanjbill15

    Ryanjbill15 Well-Known Member

    So I am prepping to put in new gears and have a 1/4 drive inch/lb beam torque wrench but cannot seam to find a 1 1/4 inch socket that is 1/4 drive to slip over the pinion nut to test it. I don't see adapters nor can I find a 1/2 drive beam style inch/lb torque wrench.\

    Any suggestions?
     
  2. techg8

    techg8 The BS GS

    I use adapters I found at Sears craftsman.

    1/4 to 3/8, and 3/8 to 1/2
     
  3. Ryanjbill15

    Ryanjbill15 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Ken. So you just used two adapter to go up to 1/2 inch. Didn't think of that. Thank you
     
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  4. LouV

    LouV Silver Level contributor

    Harbor Freight socket adapter set: Pittsburgh® Item #: 62851

    I doubt you would fine a socket that big for a 1/4" drive. I doubt you would fine a 1/2" drive torque wrench that would do inch/lbs. Probably need to get a 1/2" socket and use the adapter. All is available at Lowe's.

    Lou
     
  5. Ryanjbill15

    Ryanjbill15 Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys! I’ll head there now.
     
  6. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    beam type torque wrench?? Isnt that a little out dated?
     
  7. Ryanjbill15

    Ryanjbill15 Well-Known Member

    Poor mans way to get pinion preload vs the $250 (give or take) dial. I’d invest in it if I was going to do it multiple times.
     
  8. Ken Warner

    Ken Warner Stand-up Philosopher

    When I was going to school 30 years ago the instructor said that a beam style torque wrench was the most accurate but the least repeatable. Clickers are supposed to be the most repeatable but least accurate, however they are the easiest to use. Dials fall in the middle for both catagories. Like a lot of things if its an idiot using the tool you get what you deserve... I like dial type torque wrenches but they tend to be really pricey. I bought my 1/4 in beam for setting pinion bearings about 20 years ago and had to order it through MSC Industrial to avoid the tool truck premium. Now I see several on Amazon for about $25.
     
  9. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    I have an old dial inch pound with a 1/2 drive I use only for this. Nothing else in the world. It's so nice to not only see max break away torquestions but easy to read the dual as your rotating the pinion
     
  10. Dwayne B

    Dwayne B Well-Known Member

    I also have A old 3/8 inch pound beam and use A adapter to fit my 1 1/4 ×1/2 socket. I use it to set the preload on pinion bearings and works great.
     
  11. Ryanjbill15

    Ryanjbill15 Well-Known Member

    so I am installing Yukon gears and r says to measure pinion preload then put carrier in etc. so I measure pinion preload again with carrier isnstalled ? There are no specs for what it should be with carrier and carrier shims installed.

    Trying to make sure I get it right.
     
  12. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Measure pinion preload with out the carrier installed.
     
  13. Ryanjbill15

    Ryanjbill15 Well-Known Member

    thanks Joe. I need to order a repair manual pronto...Does anyone have the torque specs on the axles nuts that bolt to the rear? They were a pain to get off because they were so rusted on. I can't seem to locate the torque specs on those 4 little nuts that sit behind the hub.
     
  14. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Check out my JH Williams..
     

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  15. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Those are a fine thread 3/8 bolt. I'd go 40 lbs-ft..
     
  16. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Nice. Williams is basically rebranded Snap On isn't it? Id trust that more than I would trust a 9.99 Harbor Freight wrench. Good tools last a lifetime.
     
  17. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Williams was founded in the 1880s. They had a plant in Buffalo and made all sorts of hand tools. Snap on bought them sometime in the 1980s I think. From what I've heard they are one of the first companies to mass produce hand tools. Snap on may have sourced tools from them, so i think it's more proper to say snap on was rebranded JH Williams.. maybe one of the seniors on the board can offer some insight.
     
  18. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    I do a set assemblt first, no seals, no crush sleeve or spacers, this way you get get deprh, pattern etc all figured out and correct. The set your pinion up, measure it's preload to you specs. And you need to measure the torque needed to keep it turning, not breakaway to just start it turning
     
  19. Ryanjbill15

    Ryanjbill15 Well-Known Member

    For the top pinion bearing do you guys just install the pinion into the housing and then put the seal, yoke, washer, nut and use the nut/yoke to drive that top smaller bearing on? Or do you heat the top one up a little to slide it down farther then use the yoke and pinion nut to drive it down all the way?
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2018
  20. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    When it comes tI'm for final assembly I do it the way you first mentioned, you shouldn't have to prepare heat anything to get it together.
     

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