Now wait,recall the Dippy blue 4 speed at Mecum last fall ? Survivor ? unknown miles. $63,500.00 before fee's. Granted that was auction price, but still. DL
No further information about the GS 455 Stage 1 Car??? I last remember that it was surmised that the car might be1 of 49??? Also, what is the difference between a Stage 1 and a Stage 2? o No:
Many differances from Stage 1 and Stage 2. Intake, pushrods, pistons, heads, cam, etc,,,,,,, it WAS a factory race car.:3gears:
Im not sure how you arrived at 1 of 49. A 70 Stage 1 4 speed hardtop would be 1 of 664. With the choice of colors and options added in the mix, I speculate that there weren't too many that were made exactly alike
Refer back to previous comments and you will see that it was not me that came up with that number but another contributor. The car I am referring to is in exceptional shape and well worth the purchase.
I guess it begs the question, what's a "reliable" source? Considering it's from 1994, I wouldn't put too much stock into it.
The answer is out there but it is not available at this time:laugh: Sloan has part of it and GS Historic has the other. Until those two sources are combined and broken down by individual cars and options the correct answer will not be available. The "daily car reports" or my production guide are the only current factory number sources available for production info at this time. :beers2:
Dan: I am the gentleman who is buying the GS and it is Bill Bartel's car. The car now has a whopping 18K miles on it. Will also have to find a tire rather than the Polyglas tires currently on it. ANything further would be greatly appreciated.
Food for thought to "Anyone" If there were 644 ( approx) 4 speed cars in the hardtop configuration in 1970, then might we speculate how many of those were bucket seat cars and how many were bench seat cars???
Would be a guess at best. One could extrapolate if all the 1970 information was available as Mike Trom mentioned My guess would be that more people buying a 4 spd would have bought buckets but that might be wrong. The 4 spd was sportier as was the bucket seats so?
I don't think any extrapolation serves any good, especially when there's no chance for it to be accurate. But Juddge already knows I feel that way.
Your probably right, but I tried anyway:bla: here's some mathematical m**********n for you Buick made 20,096 GS's total- thats hardtop and convertible. If you add up the bucket seat production (all colors), only 3,634 cars came with buckets. So that 18% of the total. If that average carried over to the Stage 1 4 speed hardtops, that would be only approx 119 out of the 664 might of been equipped with buckets (or not)ou:
Here's a few reasons why it won't be statistically accurate: - The GS 455 had a different VIN from the GS 350, so the total production number you use is incorrect. - If you take the number of bucket seats, it's based on a certain percentage of the total. Likewise, the number of 4-speed is based on the number of the total. If you apply a certain percentage (4-speeds) to another percentage (buckets), it's statistically incorrect because you're using a percentage derived from a population (total GS 455s) and applying it to a sample. It's been awhile since I've taken stats, so I know the terminology I've used is incorrect. However, I know the theory I'm suggesting is on the right track. Another way to think of it is like this: Get the percentage of Saturn Yellow cars and apply it to the percentage of 3-speed cars. Do you think your number will be correct?
Im sure your right Diego. There are flaws in the calculations.Try and humor me though. Lets apply it to numbers we know the answer to. Bear with me- We know there were 5,432 455 coupes made in Flint in 70. 4371 3 speed automatics, 1,091 4 speeds. So approx 80% were autos, 20% sticks If you apply that percentage to the 678 GSX's, you get 542 autos and 135 4 speeds which we know is not correct. There were actually 479 autos and 199 4 speeds built. So there is a 63-64 car error. I do find it interesting that it equates to a less than 10% margin of error.
I was using totals- grand total GS production- 350's, 455's hardtop and convertible production vs total amount of bucket seat equipped cars if it helps. o No:
But you're using two models, which wouldn't work out. Let's keep it one model like you did two posts above. So riddle me this: You didn't include 3-speed manual production - why? It was the standard transmission for all available Gran Sport engines. So if you apply that percentage to GSX production, how many 3-speed GSXs do you get?
