Aluminum Head Question

Discussion in 'Race 400/430/455' started by LARRY70GS, Feb 10, 2006.

  1. TORQUED455

    TORQUED455 Well-Known Member

    Never seize is a no-no. On the newer, everyday driver stuff w/ DIS, it is known to cause the unexplained, elusive misfire.

    Without getting into a big, long and boring lecture, on 1996 and newer vehicles (OBDII), use ONLY the plug that came OEM in it, even if the plugs cost $10 a whack. Take those Bosch plugs and throw them as far as you can get them into the weeds! They don't even belong in a weed eater!

    Being an ASE Master Tech for 20 years, I have a lot of hands-on experience with plugs and aluminum heads. Back in the 80's when aluminum heads were starting to be massed produced, the buzz was to pull the plugs on a cold engine. IMO, this turned out to be hogwash. If a plug was seized, a hot or cold engine didn't make a difference, and a hot engine doesn't cause a plug to gall, again IMO.

    I wouldn't think twice about putting a non-coated plug in a TA, BD or EB aluminum head. You won't be driving your car through a rust-belt winter, and if you're like me, you change them once a year anyway.
     
  2. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Larry did you end up using the smaller NGK FR-5?

    What is the 13/16" equivalent a 6BES?

    What torque are you using?
     
  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    I have used the FR-5 since I got the new heads. It's a great plug, and on my engine, they come out a nice light brown/tan. I've been changing them yearly. The FR-5 is a V-power plug. There is very noticeable erosion of the "V" in the center electrode. Robby originally put a set of AC R43XLS plugs in it with a little anti-seize. I pulled them out immediately and replaced them with the NGK's. BTW, Alan runs the same plugs. They came in his motor straight from TSP.
     
  4. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    What spec are you torquing them to?
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    I'm going by feel. I just don't trust a torque wrench in this situation to tell you the truth. I put them in by hand until they are finger tight. Then maybe a 1/2 turn more. When I take them out, the gasket looks like it is crushed, and I haven't seen any indication the plugs are leaking.


    The NGK BP5ES should be close in heat range, but the FR-5's are a projected nose design (even more than the BP-ES). Theory is they position the gap further into the combustion chamber, and they have a wider heat range supposedly running hotter at low RPM's and cooler at higher RPM's (cooled by intake charge). They make a noticeable difference in my engine. I ran the UR-5's in my iron heads. The FR-5 is the same plug with a flat seat and gasket.
     
  6. 70aqua_custom

    70aqua_custom Well-Known Member

    oops, I guess I made a mistake. I used the Champion RC12YC recommended by Greg Gessler. I did use anti-seize. I don't see a coating on the plug but that doesn't mean it's not there. I can't remember ever seeing a plug that came with a coating. Does anyone know how to tell if a plug is coated?
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member



    Andy,
    If I remember correctly, JW was referring to the fact that NGK plugs have plated threads. The AC plugs do not. Champions do, I believe.

    http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/products/spark_plugs/vpower.asp?mode=nml
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2008
  8. 70aqua_custom

    70aqua_custom Well-Known Member

    You're right Larry, I just checked on the Champion site..."Champions traditional plugs are all constructed with a corrosion resistant zinc plated shell."

    I have another set waiting to go in anyway. I install those dry.
     
  9. Davis

    Davis Moderator

    I know your not supposed to put anti seize on the spark plug threads but i chickened out and did anyway. just a very light coating.
     
  10. 69GS400s

    69GS400s ...my own amusement ride!

    ... you Anarachist
     
  11. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Non Conformist, and Worry-Wort:laugh:
     

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