I bought a motor from 70purplerag Who in turn bought it from Aaron. The motor was shipped directly to me. The motor had a rusted cylender. The motor was listed on 4/15/2008 it was suppesd to be a runing at that time in a vehicle, I dont see how it could. My biggest problem with aaron was his attitude I talked to him on the phone and all he did was talk over me an defend hiself telling me the motor that had rust was not the one he sold me. He was very hard to deal with and did nothing but be a jerk Glen
Glenn, First, you did not buy this engine from me. How can you possibly give me bad feedback. I didn't represent the sale of this engine to you. Period. Second, in my original add it stated (and still does, search it) that the engine is in a vehicle and you han hear it run if seriously interested. I urged my buyer to have someone come over and watch the oil PSI and check compression. He declined and paid me. I did not pull this engine until I was paid. The engine was ran the day I pulled it. As a kicker, here is a third party site that has video of this engine running on March 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWBfLS_IRs Does that sound rusty????? http://jeepgod.net/jack%20hammer%208Mar08.html Glen, I was very upset on the phone. That was because you accused me of selling an engine that I knew was rusty. Furthermore you said that the engine was not locked when you got it, it locked while you were turning it, and that it broke free, to me that means that the engine was never locked up. You pulled the intake and who knows what else paint the block... I don't know what else you did to it or how long it was left open. I have thought about this long and hard and it has upset me greatly. To me, I can't think of anything I would do differently if I sold another engine in the same situation. I did my very best to accomodate everyone and I will not be giving you money. Nor will I give any money to the next guy that buys it. Period. <!-- / message -->
first of all, I tried to tell you what happened and all you did was acuse me of making this up I never acused you of doing anything under handed it is not even the money it is your attitude on the phone it is the service I got after paying and receiving the motor. If you could have ever told me you were sorry about what happened instead of telling me you didnt care what kind of feed back I left because you dont post enough on this board anyway. That tells me its okay to not do whats right beacause no one will no anyway Glen
so you want money back, not for the engine, but for your interpertation of my attitude? If I remember, you were not exactly "sweet" on the phone either.
You are wrong I dont want money becase of your attitude. I want part of my money back because i didnt get what was advertised. You should have tried to work this out with me from the beginning because even though I bought this from kevin. It never left your possesion.If you had sent this to kevin or anyone else for that matter they would be asking for there money back because it is what it is and that is rusty. I will salvage it I will rebuild it and use it in a different car I will use the fuel injection on a different motor. I have bought parts off of this board and other places and never complained if it wasnt perfect or exactly as described. this is a different deal this is not a part that doesnt meet my standards, which is lower than most peoples anyway This is a rusty motor that cant be used as is.and that is not what you had listed injh you ad.
If you would have bought this engine from me, then I would have had the opporunity to represent the sale. That means that I would have given you the same treatment that Kevin got. I left the engine in the vehicle, had him on the phone while I started it. Offered him time and availbility to have a 3rd party come over and listen to it run, watch oil pressure and check compression. I stated that this engine ran. I gave my buyer all the proof that he would allow me to give him, that it did. Because it did run. It ran the day I pulled it. I stated to him that it had acceptable oil pressure, 60 at start and 20 at warm idle. I offered him to have someone check it in person, because it did have exactly that oil pressure. I stated that the compression was within 7% and in the mid 140. I have a tester here and offered him to have someone come over and test it. Because it did have that compression. I pulled it and stored it at my buyers request, as a favor. If you had bought this engine from me, you would have had every oppurtunity of have it checked before I pulled it. But you didn't buy it from me. I did not in any way misrepresent this engine to anyone. Glenn, you took that engine apart in the rainyest climate on the US, did a bunch of work to it, and now it has surface rust. The pic's don't even resemble the engine I sold, I don't know what you have done to it. I am appuled at the treatment that I have recieved over this. edit: Glenn, how can you ask me for half of your money when you don't even know what I sold it for?
Doing buisness this way will catch up to you eventualy It might take awhile and that is okay. This is my last post on this subject I have bought parts off this board, and the people I have bought parts from know I pay for my part when I say I will and I do not complain about them when I get them I always leave positive feedback.
Glenn you still fail to realize that we did not do business together. My customer is not on here complaining. <!-- / message -->
so what your saying is that since you didnt screw Glen directly you bear no responsibility in this at all? no matter who bought it, you sold an engine that was not as represented and that doesnt make you look good. your using a minor technicality as an excuse and thats plain and simple Bullshit!! the only reason your buyer isn't complaining is because he got all his money back and is out nothing..you can bet we would be hearing from him instead of Glenn if he would have received the motor instead of Glen.. You deserve the negative feedback in my opinion.
I would agree w/ this but still would like to know how/if Glen had the block opened (if at all) to the elements ie. sittin out back for a day or two w/ the intake off. I swear- I've watched rust "grow" on freshly sanded metal. I asked this on "another" thread about this, haven't had a response yet.o No:
I know that one day it rained here and i went outside afterwards. i was w/ my uncle and noticed surface rust on the VW Bug's disc brakes. i asked him about that and he said its just surface, it'll just rub off about the time its leaves the driveway. just never heard of that before
And you are missing the minor technicality that I didn't sell anyone an engine with rust in it. I am standing by the fact that I sold an engine that was in a vehicle and running, because it was in a vehicle and running. I offered proof of that at the time of sale. as a side note, could you please refrain from swearing at me on this board.... no need to bring it down too...
Hey Glen, did you notice anything that would have told you the engine had been apart when you got it? If the engine hadn't been opened how would Aaron know there was potentially rust in there. You can't misrepresent what you don't know. If it ran, had the compression and oil pressure that Aaron claimed and wasn't opened up than you got what he was advertising. He didn't advertise an engine that was run with pictures of the inside.
I am only stating this, because Glenn says he is done posting, if this in not correct I'm sure he'll jump in... I asked Glenn on the phone about these items and he stated to me that the plugs were in, the intake was on, the air cleaner was intackt but it looked as though it had been bumped, or spun, to the side during shipping. I understood from him that the water couldn't have entered during shipping.
The motor was never outside once I received it,it went directly in my shop I never pulled the intake off outside the only thing I can figure out is somtime after this motor was pulled it sat outside. This is not surface rust There is a pile of rusty dust on the top of that piston. I did not want this motor to be bad I worked my ass off trying to get this car ready for my girlfreind I painted this motor and put a new intake on it. it is setting inside a shop in the pictures. I am not trying to stir up more trouble you asked me a question and I have answered them. if anyone feels I am wrong thats okay. I posted here because, this motor I received isnt what he claimed it was I almost bought it the first time it was for sale. My bad luck I guess becase had I been able to buy the motor the first time I would be disputing this through pay pal. I thought this section was for leaving feed back this is my feed back If you dont agree go ahead and buy from this guy. I hope you have a better experience than I did Glen.
This engine was stored in my garage from the day it was pulled to the day I took it to the shipper. I never removed anything from the engine that would let any moisture into it. I placed it on a tire in the back corner of the garage with an old Jeep soft top over it, to keep it safe from excessive dust or debris. My thoughts were that the Jeep top would let it breath a little and still keep it safe. I can't imagine that enough moisture could condensate in there to damage the cylinder, even sitting on the shipping dock. Otherwise, any engine sitting in a car unused for a few months could seize. Glenn knows from taking it apart, that it was an intact engine when he recieved it. I did not take this engine apart nor did I do anyting that would allow water into it.
I don't think you should have included Aaron in your buyer/seller feedback. You simply didn't buy, or sell anything from or with him. I think it's a bad deal all around for all 3 of you. Your beef should be with who you paid for the engine. I think Aaron did the right thing when he sold it to the person that you bought it from. I have seen it personally how condensation can enter an engine through an opened valve. Yes, I have ruined a few engines before by storing an engine (inside a garage) with the rockers still on it. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it CAN happen. If Aaron's buyer didn't get the engine immediately after he pulled it from the car, he's mostly to blame for what you've encountered. IMO.
I "think" I understand the following: Aaron sold a running engine to 70purplerag Aaron then yanked it from the car Aaron stored it in his garage for 70purplerag 70purplerag changed his mind Glen bought it from 70purplerag Aaron shipped it directly to Glen Do I have that right? I think there's an important piece of information missing here that nobody has asked about..... How long was the engine sitting in Aarons garage? Was it properly stored? Is Aarons garage climate controlled? And who's fault would it be if it either sat too long and/or wasn't stored properly? Sorry, but I gotta lean in Aarons favor on this one with the little knowledge I have of the situation. The engine was a proven "runner" when he sold it to 70purplerag right? I couldn't have been rusty could it?? So what it comes down to, in my opinion, is the fact that it sat so long after he yanked it.... which was totally out of his control. And on top of that..... Aaron and Glen simply did not have a transaction. Am I way out in left field here?
That is correct. I would have to do some research to tell you exactly how long it sat. The garage is not climate controlled, but I can't believe that it matters. I sat this engine down right next to a 6 cylinder Chevy that I had pulled out of a junk yard a year previous. The Chevy had been sitting in my garage for a year, uncovered and with no air cleaner (just the TBI on top). I picked up the Chevy installed it in my new rock chassis. It ran fine with no problems.
