400 cooling and oil pressure issue

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  1. 69_GS_400

    69_GS_400 Well-Known Member

    I dropped my car off to get the air conditioning all redone. The place resused what they could and rebuilt my compressor. The rest of the parts were ordered new. I pick up my car today. Things I've noticed that I'm having issues with are my car normally idols at about 1000rpm and has between 10-12psi at 180-200 degrees. Today it was 83 I kicked on the a/c my idol drops to around 700rpm and my oil pressure drops to 7-8psi. My car ran really hot today with it running I was having a hard time keeping it below 210 and kept increasing to 220. When I'm on the throttle at 2000rpm I have 40psi. At 3000rpm I have 60psi.

    So my issues are over heating or if you consider that close to over heating now with the a/c running?
    The idol dropping when the the compressor kicks on which is effecting the oil pressure to drop also.
    I read that there is a part that can help increase idol when the compressor kicks on.
    Any recommendations on the best brand or custom made alumnium radiator out there?
    I have the correct shroud, brand new fan clutch, and I believe the correct fan.
     
  2. 69_GS_400

    69_GS_400 Well-Known Member

    I don't believe any oil mods were done when the engine was rebuilt. I do have a ta front cover hi volume oil pump and the ta water pump.
     
  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I don't really see a problem with your oil pressure, but the idle pressure is a bit low. I don't think you meant that you have the High Volume oil pump, that should not be necessary with a new TA cover. Who set the oil pump clearances, TA, or someone else?

    A/C adds a heat load to the system, the condenser in front of the radiator gets hot and is cooled by the air that is drawn through it, and the then the radiator, so it isn't surprising that you are running 10-15* hotter with the A/C going. What radiator are you using? What is your ignition timing at idle? Retarded ignition timing will heat an engine up quickly.

    Yes, you may be able to add an electric solenoid to bump idle speed when the A/C compressor is engaged. The early 70's Buicks used them, but there was a provision to mount them to the intake manifold, something your 69 intake wouldn't have. You'll have to fab something up I suppose.

    Yes, aluminum radiators can help a lot, but make sure you get one with big tubes. The best aluminum radiators use 1 or 2 Rows of tubes. If you see one with 3 or 4 rows, pass on it. The best aluminum radiators use 1" tube size, 1 1/4" is even better. If you aren't concerned with correct looking radiators, you can pick up a late 90's Park Avenue radiator with plastic tanks that will get the job done. Be Cool makes a 2 row radiator with 1" tubes. Do a search here on V8 on aluminum radiators.
     
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  4. Stevem

    Stevem Well-Known Member

    The only time I have ever had less then 10 psi of hot oil pressure at around 700 rpm was when my oil pumps bypass valve was being held open by a spec of crap, in my case a sliver of silicone Gasket sealer!
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Hmmnnn, yeah, but I doubt he would have 60 psi @ 3000 RPM.
     
  6. Stevem

    Stevem Well-Known Member

    Well what are you running for oil, 5w30 ?

    Also when is it now running hot, all the time, at idle, or cruising down the road?
     
  7. 69_GS_400

    69_GS_400 Well-Known Member

    The front timing cover of oil pump that I bought from ta was the ta 1553a high performance oil pump. I also bought a adj oil pressure regulator.
    I have 20w50 synthetic blend from scheffers for oil.
    I had the local shop do all the machine work and put it together, tune, and install it about 10 years ago. I can't remember what my clearances were.
    The timing gun I was able to get my hands on wasn't enough to tell how advance my timing is. If I bought a newer timing gun would that give us an idea of where I'm at?
    Is there any recommendations on a good brand aluminum radiator that has a stock appearance? It looks as if the chevelles differ on hosing size?
     
  8. john.schaefer77

    john.schaefer77 Well-Known Member

    Coolcraft has one that has semi OEM tanks but has the correct upper and lower hose sizes for Buick.
    Your timing gun should be able to tell you. Make a new mark on your balancer 1.75 inches clockwise (looking from front of engine) from the factory mark. This will be 30* you can check your advance with that mark.
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    OK, that is the high performance oil pump assembly. That is not the high volume/high pressure pump kit with longer gears. Those became unnecessary when TA reproduced the timing cover. So you have 1533A (?) assembly, and that means TA assembled it and set the end clearance. You are using 20W/50 oil, yet you have low idle oil pressure? That only leaves bearing clearances. A shop unfamiliar with Buick engines can set the clearances on the loose side. That will kill hot oil pressure.

    As mentioned, make a 30* mark on your balancer. Standing in front of your car, measure EXACTLY 1 3/4" clockwise along the balancer from the factory mark. If you prefer, 2.00" is 34*. Then you can use your timing light. Rev the engine until the weights are all the way out (light springs help here) and see where the 30* mark ends up on the timing tab. Then just do the math.

    As mentioned, Chevelle radiators use a bigger lower hose (1 9/16" or 1 5/8"). The most important thing to remember is you want 2 rows with the biggest tubes (at least 1").
     
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  10. 69_GS_400

    69_GS_400 Well-Known Member

    Ok guys. Bear with me here. I'm learning as I go along. I went and got a digital timing gun. I set it to advance and it saying my idol is at 800-820 NO AC running at 180 degrees water temp. I set the gun up to 17.4-18 and it lines up just about exact with the 0 mark on the harmonic balancer. My oil pressure out of gear is 18psi. In gear at idol is about 12
     
  11. 69_GS_400

    69_GS_400 Well-Known Member

    I have 2 lines illuminating if I line up the last line the timing is more closer to 16. If I line the top line it around 17.4

    I don't if this matters much but my auto meter tach is showing 800 not digital. My timing gun is showing 650 with the AIr condition and compressor running
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    What is the timing at 2500 RPM with the vacuum advance connected?
     
  13. 69_GS_400

    69_GS_400 Well-Known Member

    I don't have a vacuum advance at all.
     
  14. 69_GS_400

    69_GS_400 Well-Known Member

    I wish I could post a picture. All my pics say the file is to large
     
  15. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    If it's a street car, you need vacuum advance. It will run cooler with it.

    Picture size is too big. All you need is simple photo editing program like Irfanview.

    http://www.irfanview.com/main_download_engl.htm
     
  16. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    You might not need a photo editor to change the size of your images. If you have Windows 7 or, I believe, Windows 10 you can right click on a thumbnail of any image and select "resize pictures". This will bring up a menu to allow you to change image size to whatever you want. You can do this with multiple images by selecting all the images you want to resize before right clicking to bring up the menu.
     
  17. 69_GS_400

    69_GS_400 Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately all I have is my phone to work with. I'm going to have figure out an app. The car is a street car. So I guess I will start with seeing if I can have the place that I been looking into make me a radiator with the 1.25 tubing all tig welded. I'm going to order the parts from Holley to help bump my idol up when I'm running the ac. Will anything be effected as far as performance if I hook the vacuum advance up?
     
  18. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Back in 2005, having seen post after post about ignition timing, I started this thread,

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/power-timing-your-buick-v8.63475/

    I think by far, the most confusing topic for car enthusiasts is ignition timing requirements. The biggest reason for that, is a lack of knowledge of ignition advance basics. How the mechanical advance and vacuum advance actually work inside the distributor, and what that looks like when using a timing light to measure the amount and rate of advance. This is extremely important to how your engine runs. If every distributor ever installed in every engine were exactly the same, then everyone could run the same timing. They aren't. The distributor specifications vary from year to year and engine to engine. When dealing with a car that is 40-50 years old, and you are not the original owner, it's highly likely that the engine has parts that have been changed before you ever saw the car for the first time. Of course that includes the distributor. We aren't even considering that engines get rebuilt changing compression, valve timing and induction, and exhaust. You would be surprised how many guys will get a car, and then proceed to set initial timing to what the book says for that particular year car and engine despite the fact that EVERYTHING else for that engine has changed. Just tell me what should I run for initial timing they ask me. I can't, I tell them. Everything changes once you modify things with different parts not even knowing exactly what distributor is installed. In the above thread, I explain advance basics, and how to use a timing light to measure the advance. You can gain a lot of performance by speeding up the rate of mechanical advance, getting it all in by 2500-3000 RPM, or even earlier. Once you do that though, you must limit the amount and sometimes the rate of vacuum advance. Ignition timing can greatly affect how cool or hot an engine runs. So the answer to your quoted question is, maybe, I don't know. Read the first post of the linked thread. Let me know if you understand it, and have questions about it, and I will try to help.
     
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  19. 69_GS_400

    69_GS_400 Well-Known Member

    Guys my car is on stand by with me on vacation. I did put in a order for the radiator. The upper and lower radiator hoses both should be 1.5" correct? The guy was a little unsure and wanted me to confirm
     
  20. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

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