4-Speed parts question?

It's nice to see everyone responding on this thread, I know it has been a minute since I chimmed back in, but you all are exceeding my expectations on your knowledge of 4-speed cars. I am trying to get my car to look and be exactly like the factory 4-speeds, so I suppose I am on an expensive and time consuming journey, but look forward to all of the challenges that lie ahead. Anywhere along the way if anyone has anything else to say about this conversion just let it rip, the more information passed on the better. :TU:

 

Does anyone know if the `67 set up is the same?i`m looking for a `67 pedal set up for 4-speed.

Thanks

 

Rods are plated cad and I believe the levers are as well . The key ( Lynch pins ) that connect the rods through the levers are the same as those used on GTOs. The same pin is used on the rod under the hood.

The reverse lock out swtich is the same as a GTO.

GTos had bright metal bands I believe arounf the pedal pad perimeter but I have never seen these on a GS. Has anyone else?

 

Scott

I believe all buick bellhousing are the same for either 350 or 455 4 speed setup all the other parts you list are different for the 350 to 455 conversion.

Parts that are different

Flywheel- yes
Bellhousing cover - I beleive they are the same ??????
Z-bar -yes
Clutch fork -yes
Z-bar to clutch fork rod- yes
Engine ball stud - yes

 

Hurst still sells the rod from the steering column to the linkage below.

M&H Electric sells a 100% reproduction back up switch.

If you look thru catalogs for Pontiacs and Olds, a lot of the small parts are repros.

Tough parts to find:

Clutch switch

Correct shifter handle

How correct do you want to be?

If you want to go 100% factory, figure to spend somewhere in the $2K range to get all the correct parts.

If you want to go low buck, then a set of pedals, switches, and a Hurst Competition Plus generic set up and a Hurst back up switch will be much cheaper.

Also, I strongly recommend that you go thru the tranny, as well as resurfacing the flywheel.

 

I think a $2000 budget is a little optimistic for a complete 4 speed swap material price. Not saying it cant be done with some good swap meet purchases.

But for someone starting with nothing and trying to purchase it in a timely manner I think you need to be thinking in the $2500 dollar range for a working system and around $3000 for a factory appearing swap.

Here are just some rough numbers thrown at it. Prices taken from a quick catalog search.

Flywheel...................................$250
Bell Housing..................................75
Press Plate and Disc.....................300
Fork, Z-bar, Upper and Lower bar....350
Throw out bearing..........................20
Pilot Bearing....................................5
Pedals................. ........................100
Pedal Bushing Etc.........................40
Frame Bracket................................25
Shifter and Linkages.......................300
Flywheel Bolts.................................15
Alignment Tool..................................8
Shifter Boots, Retainer Etc ..............50
Bell Housing Inspection Cover..............80
Reverse Lock Out Parts....................105

Sub Total $1723


Used Muncie 4 Speed $800
Console 400

Sub Total $1200

Grand Total $2923

Not included is the back up light switch, Steering column if required, Shifter ball, tunnel hump and a few other odds and ends.

 

Just out of curiosity where are you getting the $800 figure for a muncie tranny, since all 455's came with the muncie M-22, having that said a restored M-22 without a core can run up to $1,700-$2,000.

 

They all came with M22's? uzzled: I thought they all came with M21's

 

That price was based on a swap meet or Ebay purchase of a good used Muncie 4 speed.

You are correct a properly rebuilt and upgraded M22 will run close to $2000.

I wouldnt assume all 455 cars had M22's. There are documented Stage 1 cars with M21 transmissions.

 

Jason,i think from 3.36 and numerically lower the GS`s got an M-20 4-speed.

Thanks

 

I bought a Muncie M21, and had it converted to a M22 by Ed Hartnett 4 Speeds.

With the credit for the M21 gears, the tranny ran me $1,000.

That is a full rebuild with brand new M22 gears.

Add in the Hurst shifter rebuild at $90

Add in all the clips, bushings, and small parts at $75

Add in the rechroming of the shifter handle at $90

It could go to $3,000.....

 

PaulGS, Thanks for the tip on the backup light switch, I hadnt even thought about that aspect of the swap yet.

I guess one could live with out them, but their nice to help you back up into your burn out marks when street racing at night, just kidding :laugh:

 

Pretty sure the m-21 came in the BB GS cars unless otherwise ordered.

 

GS: The Same?

Would all of this info. apply to a 72 GS? In other words, is there any difference between converting a GS and a non-GS Skylark?

Any have a BALLPARK figure on what it would cost to round up everything necessary for a 4 speed conversion?

Thanks.

 

Ooops

Sorry, didn't see the prices above...never mind on that part of the question.

 

Can you just buy a Munice M-21 or M-22 w/ most of the parts w/ it?
What other parts would you need?

Anthony

 

here ya -go :Brow: uzzled:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34208&item=4538921465&rd=1

 

I think it has been discussed that the gear ratios in the M22 are best for smaller displacement higher reving engines and the M21 is best for the Buick. I believe it is in the archieves.

 

Thanks Mark, so what else would you have to do to make it work?
And can you use any m21 or m22 for a Buick?

Anthony