This is a little off topic but that is funny. I've raced radio controlled(the real deal not the toy versions)cars for years and the old saying is nearly word for word except in rc racing it's, "You must be cheating because I am and you're beating me" yeah, i think that has applications far beyond circle track racing. whining and complaining is always easier than actually developing expertise and skills. that's why it's so dangerous to let the government get involved in deciding who the winners and losers are going to be.
We stopped by the machine shop while we were in California, good 2 pallets of blocks :TU: they have logos cast in now, so we think we're going to skip on the engraved logo.
Tall deck block versus regular deck block New cast in logos New boss' to screw a plate on in the lifter valley Main Caps
I think I saw mine, over there on that pallet, right there, one over from that one....! Hope to be paying my balance soon! Thanks for posting. Gary G.
Perhaps this question has been answered before??? Do you have any stroker kits to build the new block to these larger cubic inches. Or...Maybe seperate crank and rods. What about rod angle? What it comes down to is this. If I wished to build an engine to put out 750-800 HP FOR THE STREET (Hot Rod Power Tour, car shows, etc.), which would be the most economical way to go? Stick with the lower cost of the available "crank kits" and add a supercharger or just build it BIG?o No: Thanks, Jim
"Econimical way"? Either way you'll be spending some money, I guess the cheapest way would be a stock crank and rods, and bore it out to the max, should be 480+ci, and you should be able to make 1 to 1 1/2 hp. per cube or more depending on compression. Good heads are the best investment, buying pistons would be cheaper than a supercharger and custom brackets. And a stroker kit could run anywhere from a stock offset ground crank, and stroker pistons, about $1000, or a great crank rods and pistons would/could run around $3500 or more. I have a Moldex crank, it was over $2500, and it's not a big stroke crank. It's all about your "economy". You can only go as fast as your wallet..... Gary G.
Everything you said, Gary, is very true. I'm guessing that a supercharger including manifold and fabrication would run $10,000+! I would stroke it at least with the 523 kit. It's listed for $5,150. How much extra would the parts cost to make it ,let's say, a 650? If the price is right, then I would spring for both. Heads are a given. Going with the stage 4 heads and will have it saying so on the valve covers to impress the Hemi lovers. Jim
Contact Royden in Australia. He's having a 572 built. http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=187057 Devon
Fully bored and fully stroked will get you 700+ cubic inches, its just having heads that flow enough air to support that much space. However you could easily stroke and bore it into the 600 cubic inch range and make about that much power using Stage 2 TEs and an SP2.
However someone could make up for some of the lack of head flow by forced induction. A pair of big hair dryers anyone?
We're back to my first question.....Are there any parts to build a 700 or even a 600 Buick and what is the cost? Is it all custom? Or are there kits in the works and being developed? Making 750-800 HP without a 'charger from a 700, I would think, be do-able. On the other hand, the 600 would need some help to get there. With the extreme stroke we're talking about here, I'm still concerned with the rod angle. And...Going too big on the bore if supercharged is not a good thing either. Remember...This is to be a STREET motor and has to be reliable. What are we talking about, dollar wise, in making one of these "monster motors" over a 523 kit? Jim
Not hard at all, we built an engine that made 600 or 700 hp off of pump gas, dont remember the details but that was a stroked iron block. You can get 100+ more cubes out of this block so it should be doable as well. You can go to a 4.500" bore so our TA 1614 stroker kit (4.400" stroke) would net about 560 cubic inches. We can also have longer stroke cranks made too. On the Standard cam height blocks though you can only get to a 604 ci displacement, the raised cam height blocks can swing a bigger stroke and with the tall deck raised cam block you can net a good 732 ci max.
Thank you mike. I guess, in a 'round a 'bout way, you answered most of my questions. There are no parts, "on the shelf", to put together a 600 or 700 cu in motor. I guess now I'll have to "bug" people like Crower and see what they can come up with. Thanks again Mike.:TU: Jim
