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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Quote Originally Posted by sean Buick 76 View Post
    It is typical with a large cam on the Buick 350... Loss in torque. I bet you have more torque now with your mild camshaft.
    Hope they did their homework... And make some great #sif not it will make the well know 350 tq look like a big joke
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox's Den View Post
    If they use the cam advertised they would be stupid not to port the heads. I do hope they use the 1 7/8 headers. 1.65 rockers would make a lot of difference but I wouldn't count on anything larger than 1.55. If they did port the heads I think the power will go past 400hp. If they did not port the heads it was a waste of thime using the big cam.
    my engine not anything right now, they can borrow my parts if they want.

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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    On my online TV guide, it indicates this is a "new" show, but is dated 2000. Old, but not previously broadcast?
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Well the parts list is on the web site. looks like the comp Big mutha thumper cam, T/A Stage 1 intake and doug's headers. I will be getting up to watch this one. Mayeb get some ideas for the wagon motor build.

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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Unless the heads are hogged out that engine will put out some mediocre numbers especially with that low compression. 243°/257°@.050" is way big except for all out 350's. I'm thinking if it hits 375HP it will be lucky(no head work) and the torque will be less than that. That cam is only slightly smaller than a KB 107 "Window Rattler" and that was meant for 100 more cubes and a lot more compression. Those recommendations by Comp to go with that cam are the bare minimum. 12:1 compression and a 4000 stall converter to get that hog moving is what I'd say. This is one of those times when I'd like to see them try a custom single plane to at least help out higher up in the rpm range.

    I hope they made a mistake with that cam number and are actually using the smallest "Thumper" which is 227°/241° and would be a better choice for this setup, ported heads or not. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    From the website directly:


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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    I can't post links but if you check out Automotive Machine and Performance build up their motor made 353hp at 5600rpm and 385lbft at 4200rpm.

    A nice point of comparison to get an idea of what we can expect. The TA 310 is a decent sized cam by itself but this build also has the compression (9.7:1) and head porting (245cfm intake) to back it up.

    Unless Horsepower TV has some wicked head porting and or considerable compression in this build I doubt we will see much over 350hp. Not that that is a bad number but its sure not anything beyond what we have already seen.
    Last edited by DauntlessSB92; 12-16-2011 at 09:30 PM.

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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    The cam is probably going to be too big if it is at 9:5.1 comp. I am at 10:6 with mine. You guys have it right if the heads are not ported and it isn't up over 10 on the compression the power is not going to be up there. A backyard hot rodder would have had the heads ported I can't see why they wouldn't. Oh I for got it is for TV and after all it's just a Buick how much power could it have?

    I wish for once someone would put in the big cam with 11:1 compression with maxed out ported heads and flog the crap out of it. Lets get this thing done once and for all on how mean the Buick 350 is. I said is.
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    With 350 trans 11.87@112, 125 shot nitrous

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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    I did get more torque but I think I only went about 3-4 tenths faster in the 1/4. the MPH was close to the same. The first thing I noticed was no power at top I made up for most of that down low but I think if I would have had the loose convertor that I ended up putting in after the cam change the big cam would have been closer on time.

    The engine seems to like getting up to 3800 or so for max pulling power. The 3000 stall I have in there now with the 4speed auto has slowed me down some in the 60ft. about a tenth and a half. I do make up for that in the 1/8 mi. but that 60ft is important. I got a tighter convertor because of the nitrous use but I did like that loose 3500 convertor. You were out of the hole right now. I would bet that 510 cam with a 4000 stall convertor and a 411 gear would be the crap.
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    With 350 trans 11.87@112, 125 shot nitrous

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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    mine is at 11-1 and a fair comp solid 550+ / 280+ and desktop dynoed at 526 and with a 3200 stall and 3.92 gears it reall jumps out of the hole...I can only guess that with more gear it would almost pull your neck off.
    We all know that $$ sells parts so they will pull all the off the shelf and in the end say that...." The buick is a torquey backyard motor but...they chevy small block has more potential " BUT.....we all know what we can do !!!

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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    msd just came out with a efi unit. i'd like to see them try one of these out.
    www.atomicefi.com

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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    All of this Buick 350 HP talk has me craving for more power

    I wish there were a smiley doing the Tim the Tool Man Taylor grunts..
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Quote Originally Posted by gsjohnny1 View Post
    msd just came out with a efi unit. i'd like to see them try one of these out.
    www.atomicefi.com
    Interesting
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Quote Originally Posted by gsjohnny1 View Post
    msd just came out with a efi unit. i'd like to see them try one of these out.
    www.atomicefi.com
    TBI unit. Cutting edge technology in 1985. All the advantages of a carb but with sensors and electronics to make trouble shooting more difficult. There's a reason Olds ran the q-jet right alongside Chevy's TBI engines. The TBI doesn't offer much of an improvement since it's still not controlling how much fuel goes to which cylinders. If it's not multipoint injection than there's not much of an upgrade over a properly tuned carb.
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Can someone record the show in case they do not put it on the website?

    I will be in Mexico when the show airs and my wife says "No Buick stuff in Mexico!"
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Quote Originally Posted by sean Buick 76 View Post
    Can someone record the show in case they do not put it on the website?

    I will be in Mexico when the show airs and my wife says "No Buick stuff in Mexico!"
    I got you buddy.
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Quote Originally Posted by sean Buick 76 View Post
    Can someone record the show in case they do not put it on the website?

    I will be in Mexico when the show airs and my wife says "No Buick stuff in Mexico!"
    OK, so she didn't say anything about looking at Volkswagons to bring back to put a 350 Turbo Buick engine in the back.
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    http://www.streetfire.net/video/1029...time_12508.htm
    With 350 trans 11.87@112, 125 shot nitrous

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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Quote Originally Posted by sean Buick 76 View Post
    Can someone record the show in case they do not put it on the website?

    I will be in Mexico when the show airs and my wife says "No Buick stuff in Mexico!"
    Don't drink the water!

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    Default 350 Buick build on Spike TV

    I know there has already been a post on this but I thought I'd start another so that it stays up front so that every one could see it that is interested. Horsepower TV will have a build up of a Buick 350 on Spike TV Sat and Sun morning. It will feature machining processes, assembly and dyno of the engine.
    The machining was done at Automotive Machine & Performance, assembly and dyno at Horsepower TV and features T/A Performance parts.
    This build was to show what the average guy can do with store bought parts like the Chevy guys do.
    Hope you like it.
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    Default Re: 350 Buick build on Spike TV

    Just a fyi, a reply to a post would bump it to the top.
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Quote Originally Posted by DauntlessSB92 View Post
    I can't post links but if you check out Automotive Performance and machines build up their motor made 353hp at 5600rpm and 385lbft at 4200rpm.

    A nice point of comparison to get an idea of what we can expect. The TA 310 is a decent sized cam by itself but this build also has the compression (9.7:1) and head porting (245cfm intake) to back it up.

    Unless Horsepower TV has some wicked head porting and or considerable compression in this build I doubt we will see much over 350hp. Not that that is a bad number but its sure not anything beyond what we have already seen.
    sounds like the 300 stroker built with dave nelson did alot better.

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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    They probably won't convince anyone that a SBB is some monster power maker, but is is some off brand air time so I'll take it as such. It will at least show one way to build a motor. My thought is it will be a good cruise in motor because it will have a lumpy idle and sound good, beyond that each person can decide how to assemble their own combination. Quick 1/4 mile times are far more dependent on how your car is set up, than actual power made. If this build makes 400HP I will be surprised, but the heads hold the key. This big of a cam would rip with enough head work, so let's get some updated heads goin!
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Having Automotive Machine & Performance involved makes this even more interesting to me. Plan on building a 350 engine this winter.

    Todd

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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    70GS350 Having Automotive Machine & Performance involved makes this even more interesting to me.
    Todd

    I 100% agree
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    Default Re: 350 buick build on Horsepower TV

    Here is another old 350 Buick build thread with hp and tq numbers:

    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=153248
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