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    Question 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Going to be putting the 455 motor back together hopfully something other than flat-tappet lifters and wondered if anyone makes hydraulic-roller-lifters?

    Have TA's catalog downloaded and they only have solids listed.



    Then I put a list together of prices.

    Option one is $1219.00 (roller cam and lifters)

    Option two is $408.00 (solid lifter)


    Was not to thrilled about another flat tappet cam until I saw the thread on the solid tappets with the hole burned in the bottom to increase oiling.
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    Hi Mike, Comp Cams makes a hyd. roller for a Pontiac/olds big block application. Don't remember the part #. It will work with the BBB. Have run them in a couple engines. Good luck, Bob

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Lindquist View Post
    Hi Mike, Comp Cams makes a hyd. roller for a Pontiac/olds big block application. Don't remember the part #. It will work with the BBB. Have run them in a couple engines. Good luck, Bob
    I would love to hear more about doing this, if you don't mind. What timing gears and chain, thrust prevention, what lifters, etc.. Thank you
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Thanks Bob,

    My engine builder said something about the them, then I got wind of someone selling a set of BBB roller-lifters at a discount

    I just bought a set from Wildgooseperformance (J and J Automotive) out of Canada.

    They gave me a very good price on them.

    I will however for S and G look into them.
    Michael Evans

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    1.51 60-foot 7.14

    Dyno run Before the Procharger when it broke the drive shaft (and other things)..........
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJhHk...eature=related

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Mike, Comp sells hydralic roller lifters that will work in the Buicks. It is listed as their Olds/Pontiac version. You will need to talk to TA for you cam needs. Good luck, Bob

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?






    Olds/Pontiac V8 Retro HYD RLR High Energy Lifters
    PART #857-16
    $524.96
    Quantity:
    None in your basket



    DESCRIPTION:
    High Energy™ Hydraulic Roller Lifters
    Olds & Pontiac Oldsmobile and Pontiac retro-fit hydraulic roller lifters

    These lifters are for use with the newly designed hydraulic roller cam series from COMP Cams® or as a performance replacement for stock hydraulic roller lifters. You must be certain that the lifter is correct for the type of block used.
    Michael Evans

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    Building the 1972 Skylark Suncoupe with a 464 , 400 Turbo 3.90's in a 12 bolt, 4-wheel disk brakes

    1.51 60-foot 7.14

    Dyno run Before the Procharger when it broke the drive shaft (and other things)..........
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJhHk...eature=related

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    It really is too bad that these things are so pricey. The number of flat tappet cams I've seen wiped out in the last few years by lack of zinc or whatever is certainly up there (all makes, not just Buick). Way more common than it used to be. I know about the issues, even Rotella is now almost zinc free...

    There are issues with our block valley too, correct? What is the limit for cams using rollers on a stock 455 block??

    Too bad we can't get volume on these pieces, drop the price a little. Would LOVE to avoid that initial startup and not have to worry about additives, etc. Oh well....

    Summit has them for 479.99.
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Roller cams have been discussed a lot on this board. General consensus has always been that unless you are squeazing the absolute most that you can out of an engine, you're money is better off spent on better heads and just go with a solid cam/lifters.
    Phillip Sedlon
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Quote Originally Posted by 70 gsconvt View Post
    Roller cams have been discussed a lot on this board. General consensus has always been that unless you are squeazing the absolute most that you can out of an engine, you're money is better off spent on better heads and just go with a solid cam/lifters.
    Of course, who wants to spend 1000.00+ dollars on a 400 hp engine when flat tappet and lifters run 220-250.00. That was kinda my point, if it was cheaper more people would jump. If I could buy a 288-94H style of cam as a roller with lifters for 350-400.00 dollars I'd do it, the lack of additives and bad quality lifters is only going to get worse in the future, not to mention the roller can be optimized for power and driveabilty, no break in required, less friction (heat and power), etc.
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Quote Originally Posted by TimR View Post
    Of course, who wants to spend 1000.00+ dollars on a 400 hp engine when flat tappet and lifters run 220-250.00. That was kinda my point, if it was cheaper more people would jump. If I could buy a 288-94H style of cam as a roller with lifters for 350-400.00 dollars I'd do it, the lack of additives and bad quality lifters is only going to get worse in the future, not to mention the roller can be optimized for power and driveabilty, no break in required, less friction (heat and power), etc.
    It cost me about $350.00 and time to fix mine.

    The figuring I did:

    $1300.00 to fix it with a roller cam

    $350.00 to fix it with a solid-flat tappet cam.

    Then after that, I started to slowly collect parts for a new motor (roller everything).
    Michael Evans

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    Building the 1972 Skylark Suncoupe with a 464 , 400 Turbo 3.90's in a 12 bolt, 4-wheel disk brakes

    1.51 60-foot 7.14

    Dyno run Before the Procharger when it broke the drive shaft (and other things)..........
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJhHk...eature=related

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    I think your going to find that the links from the O-P COMP lifters aren't correct spacing....
    wait for the beep and leave a message

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    We are not seeing the increase in cam failures that everyone is concerned with. For several years we have been very firm on our cam break in procedures, so that has to be some of it. I feel that our Buick spec lifter that we have been using for the last couple years also has a lot to do with it because of it's hardened face. A little tid bit of info, the picture of the lifter cross section in our current catalog, is from the 1957 Buick service manual. In other words, all this was figured out decades ago. But for some reason, the industry veered down the wrong road and now we are back on track again. Then when we get into higher load flats like bigger solids, we have the 'Cam Saver' solids with the direct oiling on the face. Rollers are still considered exotic in the Buick, but with our shrouded solid lifter we have solved the oil hemorage problem that essentially made rollers race only. We recently added hydraulic roller lifters for the V6 and those could evolve for the big block with a cross bar change. The only thing regarding the hydraulics is that even on flat cams they are a compromise on performance but they are an even greater performance compromise when done as rollers. On the turbo 6 cars we pick up 20+ hp, better rpm and quicker spooling just by changing from hydraulic to solid.
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Dave,
    Good info. Is it also true with the TA rocker arms that you do not need to do constant valve adjustments with solids lifters? It seems to me with the limited amount of use many of our cars get a solid lifter cam would be just fine on the street.
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Hey Dave (or anyone),

    I purchased a T/A 288-94 hydraulic cam, and will be ordering a set of your lifters soon.

    I sent this cam out to Calico Coatings, and had them coat the lobes and distributor gear driver.

    How will this affect my cam break in? In effect, do you have any experience with breaking in cams that have been coated? I would think that this would give me some extra protection, but I still plan on keeping the revs up for the first 20 minutes or so.

    Just wondering if anyone has had experience with this.

    Thanks.

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    Default Twin Turbo V8

    Lifter damage, two concave lifters, 1 & 8 exhaust. Twin
    p-72 turbonetics, over boosted engine. H lifters seemed collapsed, Mike T. sent me solids. Any other failure modes to look for?

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    TA has the hydraulic roller lifters..the last time I checked they were somewhere in the $300 to $400 range. I added up almost $1400 to run the hydraulic cam..that will make you think twice about doing so.
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    LSM Systems Engineering custom makes cams, hyd,solid,hyd roller, solid roller with lifters and springs to match. I have known LSM springs and cam components lasting 4 times longer then any ones out there. I look at it this away, if Pro stock, top fuel, Funny car, tractor pullers(gas and diesel) and many more, run them and always go back, there doing something rt then. The last time I called for my turbo 455BBB project for a roller cam and lifters, it was not $1300.00 iT was $1125.00, it was custom made to my engine not anyone else's. Not all cams are created equal( self cams).
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Quote Originally Posted by supremeefi View Post
    I get valvetrain parts at a great price, I'll check into rollers for a Buick, got em for everything else.
    No one else has them
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Quote Originally Posted by 87GN_70GS View Post
    No one else has them
    I believe the ones from TA are made by Morel?
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    http://www.lunatipower.com/ProductGr...1&cid=28&pid=2 Lunati has them for olds,pontiac for 325.00, just scrool down and see for your self. I called Bullet cams and they are in the range of 470.00 for roller lifters His calling me tomerrow to tell me when he can get them.
    Look closely, that's a Buick you see not a Ford nor a Chevy. Thank you Reggie for being a friend.

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Quote Originally Posted by LARRY70GS View Post
    I believe the ones from TA are made by Morel?
    http://www.dougherbert.com/buick-hyd...rpm-33434.html 225.00 dollars. I'm sorry it took me a while but I always look for odd ball stuff and this one of them.
    Look closely, that's a Buick you see not a Ford nor a Chevy. Thank you Reggie for being a friend.

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Hi Folks,
    I have used the Comp hyd roller lifters in the past and have found them to make noise. I do have our lifters made for us by Morel. TA1412 $350.00 less money than the Comps I believe. I have been very happy with the performance of these lifters. If you have lost a cam and are upgrading to a Hyd roller, make sure you clean the engine completely. Total tear down and clean. I have seen customers do the upgrade without cleaning and caused the lifters to fail. They wont pump up. Sent them out to be checked and found iron deposits in them with scoring on the piston assembly. I have been so happy with the hyd rollers so far that I recommended them over a flat tappet. Increased power levels and all worries of loosing a cam are gone. Interested give me a call.
    Mike Tomaszewski
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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    Already have. Working to see if there is a relatively low lift cam variant so I don't have to snow ball into pistons, etc. I'm interested really from a maintanence stand point, I put well over 12,000miles/yr on my Skylark. ~2500 miles in May
    The Silver Buick- '77 Skylark coupe w/455, SPX, MegaSquirt 2 & TKO-600 (Drag Week 2011!), '72 Centurion Conv't - 455w/TH400, '67 T-bird 4Dr (suicide) w/428, MegaSquirt 1 & C6. '69 Firebird replaced, now building a Pontiac Turbo L6!

    My Skylark thread
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    My Pontiac OHC Six thread.
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    I'm just a regular guy that fuel injected an old Buick and Thunderbird.

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    See page 65 of their catalog. They mention they can grind something as low as 0.300" lobe lift. I'd imagine a short duration grind can tolerate a lot more than that before piston to valve clearance becomes a problem.

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    Default Re: 455 hydraulic roller lifters?

    I was on the phone yesterday, and .525 net lift sounded like it may be the smallest, which would likely run into the piston interference zone. I was shooting for ~.500-.510 lift. I don't want enough HP to spit the crank out (at my building abilities =P ) I just want a bit more Oomph and longevity. I'm supposed to hear back this week.
    The Silver Buick- '77 Skylark coupe w/455, SPX, MegaSquirt 2 & TKO-600 (Drag Week 2011!), '72 Centurion Conv't - 455w/TH400, '67 T-bird 4Dr (suicide) w/428, MegaSquirt 1 & C6. '69 Firebird replaced, now building a Pontiac Turbo L6!

    My Skylark thread
    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=208168
    My Pontiac OHC Six thread.
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    I'm just a regular guy that fuel injected an old Buick and Thunderbird.

 

 
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