Too bad they lock people up for pot. But that's another story and another forum. I dont smoke pot but did many years ago. I would definately think that this plant can save the environment in many ways and also help American farmers go back to work. Ivan :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :bglasses:
man that's all kinds of lame haha I'll start the bidding at $5... jj I'll have to agree with ArcDevilz on that one.... I've heard some reeeel interesting theories on these subjects... government and tales and consperacy theories OH MY!:eek2:
pot just think, guys, when u come to canada, u will be able to possess 15 grams of weed for your own personal needs, legally . now that really pisses off the u.s. drug czars . may mean longer waits at border crossings into the u.s. . at least this will free up the police & prosecuting attornies from this petty crime of possession of small amounts of weed . if caught with more than 15 grams, u will be ticketted & fined but it will not be a criminal charge .
Re: pot Way to go Canada. Looks like I might have to find a new home.:grin: You know out here in California the people voted for medical cannabis but the feds stepped in and started prosecuting folks for having it. Seems like a total waste on tax $$. One thing that gets me the wrong way is the war mentality that is imposed upon people. War on drugs, war on fill in the ____________. Humanity needs a common goal to achive something positive. Ivan
As one who has done a lot of research on the subject for various classes (always fun to turn in a paper on the merits of legalizing marijuana in a class at the Air Force Academy), I am a firm believer that pot should be legal. Without even looking at the moral aspect of it (drugs are bad, uhm-kay), the practical reasons are reason enough. Some studies show that over 50% of the US population has used or uses marijuana.... doesnt a law that makes mroe than half the population into criminals sounds a little ridiculous. And imagine the billions a pot tax would bring in... i'd pay a lot more of a tax than i do on liquor and cigarettes to buy pot if it was legalized. Plus then you'd have a process to control and regulate the drug, ensuring innocent law abiding people aren't exposed to doctored cannabis laced with pcp or who knows what else. Lastly, by making weed illegal, you force a large portion of the us population, who would other wise be totally law abiding and moral citizens, to have direct contact with hardened dangerous criminals who supply the pot. Theres a huge problem with gangs in our nations big cities, and they financial support comes alrgely from the sale of drugs, especially marijuana. Much like after prohibition, when the big gangs and mobsters lost power, gangs too would be hurt severly if people could go to their local liquor store and get a 1/4 ounce of government regulated cannabis instead of driving into the unsavory neighborhoods to meet a guy who probably has a gun within easy reach. As a side note, think abotu how safe all our streets would be if it were legal to drive and smoke. Tests have shown virtually no impairment of driving skill under the influence of THC compared to alcohol. Not to mention the fact that everyone would be driving 25 miles an hour everywhere, can't get much safer than that :laugh:
Re: pot It's "decriminalized", not "legal". As mentioned at the end of the post, you can still be fined (is it $300 ?). And if you have more than 15 grams (about a half-ounce), then you can still be charged. Then again, even without the decriminalization, possession of small (and sometimes larger) amounts rarely carried serious, if any, consequences. Well, consequences other than losing your weed. :ball:
Legalize that dang plant already. FlaBoy and ArcDevilz pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter. I am getting kind of sick of the "gateway drug" analogy too, I know a lot of people who are quite functional, productive members of soceity that happen to smoke a joint or take a bong rip to relax. Their poison of choice, as opposed to a glass of wine, a beer or a cup of coffee and a cigarette. The majority of those who smoke pot do not become crackheads. How many people smoke a bowl and beat their wife or get into a bar fight? (fights over the last slice of pizza don't count) :grin: How many people smoke a bowl and decide to drive recklessly? (Yes, at 25mph they kinda hold traffic up a bit):grin: Pot is not physically addictive, in it's purest form is all natural, can help in the treatment of disease. It can help alleviate the suffering of chemo, aids and glaucoma patients. Add all the industrial uses (hemp and hemp products) to the mix and you got a pretty usefull little plant. For the record, I don't even smoke weed. I did in college for a while but I decided to stop. Not because of fear of arrest or addiction. I just decided not to. Just my $.02
What have you-all been smoking? :boring: the second hand smoke is making me sleepy... If Hemp were such a great textile/fiber product, every third world country would be growing and selling the stuff to cover the lacking US production. Sure it may be good for the use, but there must be a lot of superior products or huge demand would exist for the other uses throughout the world. So, if it doesn't affect a person's thinking of judgement, how can a person zone through an entire day of school or TV and have no clue what they did all day? I'm not about to knowingly allow some pot-head driving a 325-ton haul truck around me at work when he got loaded at lunch. :eek2: (though it has probably already happened) At least you can usually tell when a boozer went on an all-night bender the night before. While the same liberals that want to ban tobacco for bad health reasons are for legalizing pot which is worse for you than tobacco. Add socialized medicine to the issue and the rest of us up-tight conservatives will go broke supporting the others in the system. So unless you are a libertarian( I lean that way more than conservative), then the social costs are too high. If you don't expect me to take care of you or your family or its health finances because of your drug use, and I as an employer can fire you if I don't like your "legal" drug use, than mainline heroin for all I care. It's your body, I just don't want to be responsible for the maintenance or upkeep. The spaced-out flake-os I have met personally with the hemp stickers just do more to prove my point. (present company excluded of course). My personal experience is some people you would never guess they do it every day; other people: ou: Jeff Spikoli. Kinda like leaving your mind in first gear for the whole day.
weed pot will never be legalized in the u.s. because their are too many people (law enforcement, politicians, etc) that depend on all these huge financial handouts from the feds to , supposedly, fight drugs . do u realize the time and effort and money spent on policing & prosecuting people for simple possession . what a waste ! leave the little guy alone & nail the pushers/suppliers . decriminalizing simple possession ( <=15 grams ) means that u will not be strapped with a criminal conviction which would prevent u from being bonded & could restrict your passage to a foreign country . in canada , u could do more jail time for simple possession than for impaired causing death . canada is also working with scientists to develop a breathyliser to detect impaired by drugs .
Go Earthers!!! I hate stoners, and I have zero tolerance for idiots, so Ill be blunt. Lets fix this countries problems one at a time. I suggest we start with SS and welfare. I agree the way the GOV hands out dollars is a bit backwards, but if someday (in addition to what I install in my childrens values) it keeps my kids safer, then so be it, hell its partly my money anyway. I know there are guys out there who can smoke 3 bowls during lunch and operate good enough, but the potential they are wasting outweighs the opportunity cost they are give up for pleasure compared to productivity. I would argue that your brain on weed doesn't even make it into first gear, its stuck in neutral! And I'd say it would be safe to (think) that most welfare recipients use the plant far more than the solid citizens who get wrecked check after check. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining!
Funny you shuold bring up welfare and saving social security. Studies/research conducted by Florida A&M university in I think 98 or 99 showed that by legalizing weed and implementing a taxation structure similar to that of tobacco (and I personally stipulate that you could tax weed a LOT more than tobacco) it would generate enough income for the feds that it would be able to support social security BY ITSELF with money to spare on the educational system... imagine social security that wont run out in 15 years, and it wouldnt even come from your paycheck. Imagine all the great social works programs that could be implemented, or hell, even increase the military budget... whatever your political leanings, pretty much everyone out there has something they think deserves more government funding... well heres a solution. And I work 60 hours a week, all my friends are hard working, I don't personally know a single person on wellfare or any sort of governemnt support, yet many, if not all of my group of friends smoke weed. Of the 100-150 people I could name off the top of my head who i know and who smoke pot, not one of them is on wellfare... My main point is this, there are Americans out there, a LOT of them, depending which studfies you trust or put credence in, that smoke marijuana. And that is not going to change. So instead of making possesion of this drug a SERIOUS offense, thereby giving power to the criminal elemnts who profit from the sale of it, I think it would be best to legalize and regulate it, and put more money into american's pockets... the guy running the store that sells it, the farmer whose crops were failing who can now make his house payments, cuz marijuana is easy to grow and profitable. And in doing so, yuo'd be taking those americans who are going to smoke weed anyway, and making their lives safer by removing their contact with an unsavory criminal element.... wheres the bad side?? Those people who are against weed dont smoke it now, and probably wont smoke it if it were legal... those who are in support of weed probably already smkoke it, so the change in the amount of people using it would be negligable. Wheres the harm? If the same number of people are using it, and all of the sudden, theres more money for the us gov't, less crime, and a stronger economy, how exactly is that a bad thing?? just my $.02 . As I'm sure all you can tell, this is something i have felt strongly about for a LONG time. Feel free to share your opinions on this matter.... and by the way, i think it speaks volumes about the good-naturedness of the Buick community when we can have a discussion like this and keep cool heads and respect others views. Too many times I've seen this topic turn a simple conversation into a name-calling screaming match
If you had a renewable resource that could give you so much than why would you not use it? I could say the same for people who drink booze. How many times have you heard a man on pot killed a family of six while driving stoned:eek2: My main stance is to legalize for industrial use. Someone had asked about why dont oher countries grow hemp and make tons of $$? Well I know that the U.S imports tons of hemp from China. Why do that when it could be grown here. You can have U.S farmers grow it and save there farms. I remeber having a talk with the Vice President of a multi national billion dollar company on the same subject matter. We talked about the various uses for paper and wood products. He agreed that this plant could do wonders but the timber industries lobby hard against it. We can go on for ever on the subject. Some will say yes others no. I Say YES! Ivan :bglasses:
