Would I benefit from a bigger air filter and 3” exhaust?

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by STREETFIGHTER50, Jul 31, 2019.

  1. STREETFIGHTER50

    STREETFIGHTER50 Well-Known Member

    Currently have:

    -K&N air filter 14” x 2” maybe a bit more if measured base to cover.
    -Holley Street Avenger Carb 770 CFM
    -Edelbrock Performer Buick 455 Intake
    -‘70 455 Block .030 Over
    -‘71 Heads Hardened Valve Seats
    -TA 290-94H Cam
    -TA Stage 1 Shorty Headers 1-7/8” x 3”
    -2-1/2” H-pipe
    -2-1/2” MagnaFlows
    -2-1/2” Tailpipes

    I was thinking of getting a taller air filter or the flow through the top lid type to let more air in. Also, a full 3” exhaust system - shorties to tailpipes.
     
  2. STREETFIGHTER50

    STREETFIGHTER50 Well-Known Member

  3. B-rock

    B-rock Well-Known Member

    Loose the K&N air filter and run a quality paper element air filter. The K&N filters are full of holes that let dirt in. Take yours off and hold it up to the sun while looking thru the pleats. Now do the same to a Quality paper element.
     
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  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    2 1/2" exhaust is plenty for your engine.
     
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  5. GlenL

    GlenL I'm out in the garage

    I can tell when I swap the stock air cleaner with a 3" tall filter for an open 4" filter. Worth a whirl. You might have to try a few to find one that works with your carb and hood. Check out a drop-base filter housing and go up from that.
     
  6. sriley531

    sriley531 Excommunicado

    Your current air filter and exhaust are limiting your combo very little if at all.
     
  7. STREETFIGHTER50

    STREETFIGHTER50 Well-Known Member

    Ok thanks everyone. I’ll probably leave the motor as it is.
     
  8. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    If the Street Avenger is a vacuum secondary, I'd change it for a Q-Jet set up for your combo, or a mechanical (double pumper) secondary Holley.
    The vacuum secondary Holleys open the secondaries WAAAAAAAY to slow:eek:
     
  9. Stevem

    Stevem Well-Known Member

    You would find more power by running 3" tube to your H pipe , the outlet side is fine with 2.5" .
    If you do that mod and have the money , a X pipe in and of itself with a 455 cid motor is worth 5 more hp up at 5000 rpm.

    A V8 motor built like yours is rather insensitive to primary header length even to the tune of a 6" difference in tube lenght, but not so to collect lenght and area!
     
  10. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Going to ported TA aluminum heads would result to a big jump in performance.
     
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  11. sailbrd

    sailbrd Well-Known Member

    My research showed that a 3" muffler flows the same as 2.5 pipe. Not a lot of gain to be had for the amount of money for new exhaust.
     
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  12. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

  13. TomGS72

    TomGS72 Silver Level contributor

    That carb seem small. I'd run a mechanical secondary 850 Holley.
     
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  14. TexasT

    TexasT Texas, where are you from

  15. cruzn57

    cruzn57 cruzn57

    the old " put a double pumper on it"
    most vac secondary carbs are smarter than your right foot,
    "open to slow?" the motor knows what it needs, and the secondary's open
    AS NEEDED.
    if you open all 4 barrels at low rpm, the velocity slows, and atomization
    decreases, and HP decreases! yea, the noise is louder, (if thats what you want)
    race cars ( where the throttle is open wide ALL THE TIME, do benefit from mech secondary's.
    but your street car doesn't.
    years back a guy named Waddell Wilson did some extensive testing on our dyno, same motor,
    just changing carbs, was vac vs mech secondary's,
    mid range torque was noticeably more with vac, as carb opening was optimum .
    max hp was identical as all carbs flowed the same, at WOT.

    does he need more cfm on his motor, depends on how much time is spent at wide open throttle.
    and is he seeking the max hp, ( at max rpm)
     
  16. STREETFIGHTER50

    STREETFIGHTER50 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for all the info everyone. Me coming from Fox body Mustangs, I know alota folks, including myself were running 1-3/4" long tubes to 3" collectors, 3" mid-pipe, and 3" mufflers. This was only with naturally aspirated small block 347" HCI'd strokers. My car made 410 RWHP and I know another that did 466 RWHP running 10's. That's why I was thinking to myself, hmmm this is a 455" BB, shouldn't this exhaust be bigger??
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2019
  17. sriley531

    sriley531 Excommunicado

    While I do agree a 770 avenger wouldn't be my first choice of carb, I don't think your handicapping yourself much. Remember, these big block Buicks got their reputation with the hearty low end torque they make, so your not gonna spin them as high as a small block brand x engine. Also the science of back pressure plays into that.
     

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