Wet spark plugs

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by deenice, Jun 22, 2020.

  1. deenice

    deenice buick lesabre 1975

    Need some advice about this...455...750 quick fuel mechanical secondaries
     

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  2. lemmy-67

    lemmy-67 Platinum Level Contributor

    Running rich. That's about all one can derive from photos of fuel-fouled plugs.
     
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  3. deenice

    deenice buick lesabre 1975

    Should I get msd?
     
  4. 73 Stage-1

    73 Stage-1 Dave

    Carb related... Blown power valve? Has the engine backfired recently?
     
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  5. deenice

    deenice buick lesabre 1975

    Lil bit yes
     
  6. john.schaefer77

    john.schaefer77 Well-Known Member

    MSD cant change a rich mixture. You need to look at the carb as mentioned above. Dont fire the parts gun and buy a bunch of stuff. Find out the why, then figure out the how (to remedy it).
     
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  7. deenice

    deenice buick lesabre 1975

    Thanks!!....
     
  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Is this the 75 LeSabre? What kind of ignition? GM HEI?
     
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  9. deenice

    deenice buick lesabre 1975

    Yep!!...hei...72 455 motor
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    If you haven't made any changes to jetting, I would make a call to Quick Fuel and tell them what is happening. Then ask for advice on jetting it down. You also need to check the power valve(s) to make sure they are not blown. Why are you running a colder plug? The engine calls for an R45 or 46TSX with a .060" gap. You would probably be better off with a Quadrajet built for your engine.
     
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  11. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    There is 0 reason to buy another carb....that's spending money you don't need to.......what gets are in there.....how does it idle. Where are you micture screws set at, what power valve is in it
     
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  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I agree. I'm sure his current carburetor can be fixed/adjusted to work.
     
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  13. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I think it would really help if Deenice told us about the engine in this car. Is it stock, modified, exhaust, gearing, etc. Are you running a cam?
     
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  14. deenice

    deenice buick lesabre 1975

    ta 212...bored 30 over..after market eldenbrock intake...just little bit over stock...scotty pg built my motor
     
  15. lemmy-67

    lemmy-67 Platinum Level Contributor

    sounds like a lot of performance mods...I'd get those plugs blasted clean or replaced & re-gapped, then dial in your stock ignition timing & lean it out to where it idles as close as possible to stock RPM, then adjust timing/idle mix screws, then move on to rods/jets.
     
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  16. Ken Warner

    Ken Warner Stand-up Philosopher

    When I was a mechanic, the old timer said that any spark plug that has been badly gas fouled should be replaced. I learned the hard way for about a year that he pretty much knew what he was talking about. Plugs are cheap and not tough to change...
     
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  17. GS464

    GS464 Hopelessly Addicted

    Any plug that is sand blasted clean WILL foul again and relatively quickly. As Ken said, plugs are cheap and should be replaced not cleaned.

    I know, I know. "I've cleaned plugs for years and never had a problem", "My dad always said..." blah blah blah.

    After playing this game for 40 years, take my advice. Just buy new ones, gap them properly and to the correct gap and go make power.
     
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  18. deenice

    deenice buick lesabre 1975

     
  19. 73 Stage-1

    73 Stage-1 Dave

    New. As in brand new - out of the box the day you put them in :)

    However, I would hesitate to put new ones in at this point, at least until you figure out what’s wrong and why it happened. Bound to ruin another set.

    There is some solid advice above to help diagnose what’s going on. Personally, I’d start with the carb... and a rebuild kit.
     
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  20. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    Maybe it's my monitor, but those plugs don't look "wet" to me.

    They're black, running rich. MAYBE getting some oil, but almost certainly from too much fuel.

    "I" would clean them with a propane torch. Get the porcelains nice 'n' white again. I've had reasonable luck with this, but even if it's not a long-term solution, at least you're starting fresh for further diagnosis without spending a heap of money on new plugs every time you try something different.

    Re-adjust the idle mixture screws for best vacuum, then lean-drop about 1/4--1/2 inch of vacuum.

    See if they burn cleaner once the idle isn't pig-rich. Is there a choke? Is it adjusted properly? If not, fix that, too. How about spark advance? What is initial, total, and vacuum advance?

    If idle and choke don't take care of it, maybe looking at jetting changes, and after that, air bleeds and idle restrictions and all the rest of the "difficult" tuning.

    But don't rule out the fact that the plugs may just be too cold.
     
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