Was thinking of adding a vacuum advance canister

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by Mark Demko, Nov 6, 2018.

  1. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Doubtful. Not sure if you can adjust an adjustable canister that low, but maybe. Why so little idle vacuum?
     
  2. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    BIG cam, big duration, 35* overlap.
    I read somewhere that big cams don't play well with vacuum advance.:rolleyes:
     
  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    You will still get the advance at light load cruise, just not at idle.
     
  4. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    5 psi should be enough to make the vacuum advance open, try before you buy though to confirm.

    I can brig a dis over with vacuum advance on it you can hook up to your engine to see if it works when it goes back together and in your car.
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Not a stock one. Have a look at the specs for stock canisters,

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?th...specs-1965-66-66-67-68-69-70-71-72-74.329332/

    It takes 6-8" of vacuum to start vacuum advance. It maxes out at 16". There has to be enough vacuum to overcome the spring inside the canister. The adjustable vacuum advance from Crane allows you to adjust the spring tension to alter the rate. In any case, as the engine gets up on the cam, it will have 20" at 2000 RPM or so depending on the cam, so you will get the advance at light load cruise.
     
  6. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Thanks Larry, wasn't sure where the stock V/A came in at.

    Well Mart is gonna have another 13 cid to tame that HUGE cam he has, so maybe he'll have an extra 1'' or 2" of vacuum from the extra draw?
     
  7. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    That's the concern I have about vacuum advance, it "might" help.
    I don't have any pinging now with 11 to 1 and iron heads, and my roller is smaller.
    Im concerned if I were to add vacuum advance (however it would be added) that I'd open a can of worms, and I'd just end up removing it. We'll see once the weather gets warmer as far as pinging:eek:
     
  8. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    Your not even going to need it, as soon as you hit the gas you are at 2 grand 500 more and you are up on the mech advance all in @ 2500 right. The only place that vac advance is going to work is from idle to 2 grand. You have a what 2500-3grand stall and if that is so the vac advance I think is useless.

    The only place it might be a benefit is if you are in 4th gear with the convertor locked up and you are moving at 1500 rpm and just want to cruise up the hill. I am at 2200 at 65 mph If I go slower I drop to 3rd and just lock up the convertor again or unlock it, stay in 4th and let the convertor rev up it adds about 200 rpm unlocked.

    I have never had a problem with off idle now if I had a 308 gear and a 1500 stall that would be a different story All 3 of us are up on the rpm the moment we hit the gas. Ok you might get 1 more mpg big deal.

    I gave it more thought and it might work at 15-2 grand cruising down the road since you will be at about 15-20 on the vac gauge at that rpm and that slight touch of gas is where the advance might work but I think you would have to have an adjustable advance system to take full advantage of the advance canister.
     
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  9. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Yep Im just leaving it as is, you bring up some good points, my total timing is all in at 24/2500 rpm, my typical highway cruise rpm is 3000 to 3200 rpm. Around town who cares, idle to 2500 rpm, then a red light, idle to 2500 rpm, then another red light, repeat again. The majority of my driving is 2500 rpm and up, mostly highway.
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    And that's exactly when you would reap the benefits. You will get the best mileage with 40-45* of ignition timing. On the highway at steady state cruise, you would have enough vacuum to run a stock canister. Just limit it to 8-10*.
     
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  11. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Darnit Larry, now Im thinking again:D
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    As J. Cook would say, better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Of course he wasn’t talking about vacuum advance, but you get the idea.:)
     
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  13. UNDERDOG350

    UNDERDOG350 350 Buick purestock racer

    Mark, with all due respect (Ricky Bobby reference) you don't drive the car enough to be concerned about gas mileage. It's also modified enough for performance that you are not going to get good mileage anyway. I don't run vacuum advance on any of my modified engines. My blue car still gets over 20 mpg without it. They really only come into play at steady cruise speed (no load) or coasting. Either way the throttle is not open very much. Don't loose any sleep over it.
    Then again, we learn by doing. And testing. Maybe it would be a good excuse to work on the car.
     
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  14. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Your right Steve:D
     

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