Vin Tag Paint Instructions

Well, it only took one day to get a reasonable answer from a second opinion. I deleted the prior thread intentionally. See the attachments; instructions and a correct example{vin concealed}. Of course, there's no guarantee that the tag paint wont be rusted beyond recognition by now, but read carefully before you get stuck with a "FAKE" Stage 1, and then have a state police investigator {that seems to not want any further investigation time wasted}whom saw only the top side of the tag, and won't return to take a second look at the rest of the car, determine that a sloppy rivetted and incorrectly mounted, perfectly freshly painted black wrinkle finish VIN tag can be original to a supposedly 1970 car body; obviously never removed; but claimed by him, to have been removed and reinstalled at some point in time,on this 1971 frame{yes,with a different vin, that I found and photographed and seen and admitted to, by him}from the car body that I have easily proven many ways, by factory books{and Duanes date code book} to be a 1971, and with a 1972 speedometer head, of all things! Flat black paint that does not delaminate when struck with the stamp is correct. This website RULES! Wish I'd had the knowledge and the opportunity to do research here, before I made my big mistake. Now I own a 1971 Buick that was titled clean, with 22000 actual miles by the prior owner, as a 1970 model. the investigation was closed, effectively denying justice to a valid victim. I may remove this thread in a day or two also.

 

Maybe I am missing something but,shouldn't the Stage 1 be from the Flint plant? Th K would have been a sure giveaway...

 

That is also a GS350 VIN in 70. Also a few 70's may have been made in Freemont plant. 71's Were mostly Flint but a few were Freemont and Framingham but thta would not be K plant.

 

I didn't say anything in the prior thread, but I should have. Copperhead knows more than most about authenticating these cars, and you were rude and condescending to him.

Steve

 

Yep. And I did say something, so maybe that's why he deleted the thread. Dave, I give you credit for offering a polite answer in this thread too. You have much more patience than I do.

cmastersin, sorry you got screwed- that really sucks. I suppose your only choice now is to just drive the car and enjoy it, and delete this thread too like you said.

 

Actually Copperhead gave the right answer. The original vin tag paint was a very smooth flat black that was painted on BEFORE the stamping process was done. The special paint was elastic enough to not "delaminate" when struck with the characters at the assembly plant. Admittedly, some other car brands aren't black like this though, but they have some kind of unique finish that is hard to dupe, but these Buicks are exactly what i described, by the factory book, if authentic. And, roset rivets can be bought many places too! My issue is I got stuck with a so called real 1970 Stage 1 with the right serial number on the title, an old 455 motor block that was included, with matching numbers and on the dashboard vin tag too. I had to store the car for some time before I was in a position to dig into her. Do you know how pissed I was to discover that the car was a 1971 GS350 built in Freemont California with the right gingerbread on it to look like a 70 Stage 1? The Roberts Report did not match the car options by a mile either. I beleive him though on his reports. The mileage was 24000 actual on a clear Virginia title, with no reconstruction brands either. The paper trail story that was recited to me was beleivable but not able to confirme or deny for quite some time as I was given incorrect info. When I finally found the previous owner, he did NOT back the story either. I requested a DMV investigation and the State Police Investigator first admitted that as I had discovered, the private serial number didn't match the title and the public VIN number and stated that the vin tag had been swapped{he never saw the backside either}. Later, the investigation was closed and the investigator retracted their statement and said that my incorrectly mounted, black wrinkle finished vin tag {with no overspray in sight}was original to the car body, and although in their opinion the frame had been swapped from under the car, the vin tag was original to the body! The DMV and State Police will NOT re-examine the car and are standing by their segment report! The damned car body is a 1971 too. It has never been seperated from the body either. I have been tossed into civil court mode, attempting to prove a federal crime, and the guy I got it from has made proven incorrect statements and many unbeleivable denials in his sworn statements during discovery. I have been in touch with a fella in the U S Attorneys office lately. He beleives me. Personally I feel like a victim of obstruction of justice and think the criminal case should be re-opened {in a federal court}as I am kinda sure which prior owner did the deed, which was carried forth and put in my lap by the guy that sold it to me. This last guy spent 4 years on this website and others like it yet he says he has no information about such things and claims he never gave me any prior owner info! Copperhead, good answer on the black paint, BUT, I'll say that after buying and selling about 3 thousand cars in the used car industry, I have NEVER once seen factory overspray on a modern vin tag yet, unless somebody resprayed the dash at some point after the fact. Sorry, just my 60 year old observation. All dashes I have seen were painted before the tag was installed too. Certainly not black wrinkle finish either.I shoulda known better and I did not pick up on this when I got the Stage 1 fake. My fault. I trusted a clean title as always in the biz, until proven otherwise, and then there was hell to pay for the suspect and I always got my money back, EXCEPT this time. Again, the fella I got it from will certainly log on and read all this. The car was an investment only as I have no desire to drive a gas guzzling hot rod, although I adore the Stage 1's unless I am going down the dragstrip in the sevens or the low eights, as my other cars I own will do. I ride an 8 year old cheaply bought used Cadillac on the highways and get 27 on the interstate. Maybe I'll let this thread continue afterall.. V8 Buick RULES!

 

If it is a Fremont body and Fremont frame that have not been separated, chances are very good that there is a build sheet on top of the gas tank. If so, this will give you conclusive proof regarding VIN, Fisher Body number, options, year and the rest, and will tie the VIN, title and cowl together...or show clearly which one is not like the others.

I would thaink that document would be sufficient to reopen your case.

If you would post pictures of your cowl tag, and tell us your "fake" VIN (leave off the last few digits); we can tell you a lot more about your car.

Steve

 

Nah, all that kind of stuff has been removed, and the cowl tag is missing. I've looked in all the known places. How did I get suspicious? REMOVING THE TANK! I saw all these gas lines sticking out of the car body with bolts plugging SOME of them, and others were wide open. That's when I bought the original Buick books and discovered that the 1971 up fuel vapor seperator cannister was the origin of these unused lines, and that Fisher retooled the rear seat divider stamping to accomodate this large silver device so as to allow the upper back seat cushion to still install properly. State poilce thinks there is no reason to see this either, but it is factual in all cases according to Buick. Even California 70's were NOT made this way according to the books. BY THE WAY, if it can be positively proven that the VIN tag was overspray painted the dash color, after being rivited in; with the dash during assembly, that would MAKE MY DAY!! I would have a State Investigator slam over a barrell! Might be possible. I've been thinking about that. CHIME IN PLEASE

 

One more question; was the plastic VIN tag surround painted to match the dash color, or was it made with the color in the plastic. Mine was a black plastic that was painted dark brown to match the current dash board color, which incidentally was at some point repainted over a light tan dash color that was on the dash beforehand. what I am driving at is a state investigator that claimed the VIN tag was original to the car body. I will be posting a new thread with all the 70 Stage 1 pictures to examine to see who beleives the car body was really of a Flint built 70 Stage 1.