Using a Fluke meter to set dwell

Discussion in 'Sparky's corner' started by Timonator, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    Is there a way to set dwell using a Fluke meter? I have a Fluke 88. The instructions for the meter say to put one of the leads on the positive wire for the distributor but the only wire my distributor has is the one that goes to the negative side of the coil. Also, what should the reading be?
     
  2. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Dwell is measured in degrees. Does your meter have a degree scale?
     
  3. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Some meters do dwell angle, but I dont think tthe 88 has that feature. I know the Fluke 78 does. I have an OTC 500 myself that I set dwell with. I set it to the dwell scale and hit the "cyl" button until it cycles to 8 cylinders. The red goes on the negative on the coil and the black goees to chassis ground. Works awesome.
     
  4. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    Well, It can measure duty cycle at that can be converted to dwell.
     
  5. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

  6. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    When I measure duty cycle the numbers are all over the place. I'm sure it's operator error.
     
  7. SteeveeDee

    SteeveeDee Orange Acres

    A clean .017" feeler gauge is far cheaper, and 100% reliable. Just bump the engine over until you are on a distributor cam lobe.
     
  8. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    Are the number supposed to vary much? What is the acceptable range? When I put the positive lead on the positive side of the coil it will give me a number and then go to zero. When I remove the probe it gives me another number.:confused:

    ---------- Post added at 08:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:58 PM ----------

    Maybe I'll try that. Thanks

    ---------- Post added at 09:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:59 PM ----------

    Ok , it's right at .017 with the feeler gauge.
     
  9. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Thats a great tip. I didnt realize there was a formula to convert duty cycle to dwell.

    I think the spec is .016
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    You measure dwell from the - side of the coil not the positive side.
     
  11. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    Well that's my problem. Thanks again Larry.
     
  12. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

  13. BRUCE ROE

    BRUCE ROE Well-Known Member

    Instead of trusting spread sheets & formulas that might be mis interpreted, how about
    some simple logic. Points are mechanically designed to be closed 2/3s of the time, and
    open 1/3 of the time. On a 360 degree distributor rotation, each of 8 cylinders get 1/8
    or 45 degrees. 2/3 of 45 degrees is 30 degrees. On a 6 cylinder its 60 and 40 degrees.
    Odd fire, figure in the "phantom" cylinders.

    If you disconnect the coil & cap from the points, and connect an analog ohm meter, it
    will read full scale (ANY scale) when the points are closed and back to the beginning when
    they are open. So when spinning the analog ohm meter should read 2/3 of full scale for
    any even fire engine.

    Another way, put a voltmeter across the operating points. Note the voltage with points
    open, you should see 1/3 of this when the engine spins. There is some error caused by
    coil interaction and voltage change from starter loading. Digital volt meters do not work
    well trying to average voltage. But a digital meter with DUTY CYCLE capability should be
    able to show the 1/3 or 2/3 (33% or 67%) figures. Bruce Roe
     
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  14. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    Answer: Bruce gave it way but the above formula should reference distributor (or cam) degrees as the angle units, and not leave it to be assumed that it's supposed to be crank degrees (like I would do by default).

    So 30 degrees dwell angle (distributor degrees) is 67% duty-cycle (and that is duty-cycle "low" or points closed, for reference).
     
  15. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    How about picking up an old tach and dwell meter on ebay? They're cheap. :Dou:
     
  16. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Last time I checked Sears still sells dwell meters.
     
  17. william.ali.kay

    william.ali.kay Needs more cowbell!

    Timonator, I have an older(70s?) Sears dwell meter I would be willing to sell.
    Used 3 times in absoultly new condition, in original box in like new condition with instructions.
    Currently on display in my rec room with matching timing gun.
    Pm me for details, pictures, etc,,,
     
  18. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    I'd like to be in line behind Timonator, please. PM sent.
     
  19. SteeveeDee

    SteeveeDee Orange Acres

    :Smarty: Step away from the electronics! The feeler gauge can do no wrong! heh heh heh...do what you will, I'm just kidding.
     
  20. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Good catch!

    Devon
     

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