UNNN BEEE LEEEV ABLE

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by wheelz, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. wheelz

    wheelz 'B' is for Buick.

    Guys, I cannot understand this kinda stuff... Many of you know I had tried to sell the late-great Kenny462 (Denver) - 72 GS 455 stage 1 (clone) for many months. To help the family out with funeral expenses and such, I paid to have the car shipped here to Tampa Bay, I performed a lot of prep, bought new tires, changed oil, fluids, finish dup a few things that needed to be done to make this car Marketable, show presentable and AWESOME!
    Kenny had the best of the best parts in his prized GS and he did not cut corners. this car was 100% rust free.
    Couldnt sell it for $28K. nor $25K. nor 22k. Finally sold it for around $20k.
    AN AWESOME, 72 BUICK 462, 530+ hp, Art car trans, disc brakes ...gorgeoous bucket interior, stunning paint, etc, etc, etc. and not even $20k? is all it would sell for.

    ON THE OTHER HAND... in 22 hours of listing a 67 Chevy II Nova, I've answered no less than 24 inquiries, had numerous guys wanting the car, none of whom I ever PROMISED I WOULD HOLD IT FOR THEM . . .. and yet ONE fello who, early this am, rented a trailer from West Palm Beach and was ON-HIS-WAY-HERE when I had to call him and say "the WIRE TRANSFER CASH HAD BEEN COMPLETED from the NY buyer so it has been SOLD". . .
    IE: this two owner car just sold for over 21k. Im sure you saw the listing here ....it was ALL original 6 cyl, glide trans, absolutley RUST FREE and sah weet...but FOR THE SAME PRICE as a 72 GS 462 STREET KILLER MONSTER BUICK???

    ...for over 45 years, I could never understood this guys. Chevy vs Buick GS.

    and the simple little 67 Chevy II wins.

    go figure...


    Ok so, Im gett'n down off my soap box now.

    Wheelz, Tampa Bay
     

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  2. 72STAGE1

    72STAGE1 STAGE 1 & 2

    The answer is easy, the GS looks wrong and everything’s been messed with, the Chevy looked right and wasn’t messed with.
    That’s my perspective.
     
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  3. wheelz

    wheelz 'B' is for Buick.

    Well I hear ya BUT, this Chevy value VS Buick value discrepency has been around for ever. . . .
     
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  4. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    I'd have to agree. Personal touches always hinder price.

    A few years ago, a longtime friend of the family asked me to list his '87 GN on Craigslist. I took a bunch of pictures, came up with a very honest description and listed it at the $18K price he was looking to get. It even got some exposure on Bring a Trailer.

    As for personal touches, he'd added a bunch of aftermarket parts from gbody.com, in an effort to GNX it out. I'm of the opinion these mods cost him close to $3K, as it sold for right around $15K.

    After lingering around on Craigslist for a few weeks, he was getting antsy. When he told me someone had offered him $15K, I said take the money and RUN.

    The moral of my story is: don't expect to get top dollar if the car in question has too many personal touches. While it may be a great car, potential buyers have difficulty looking past what they may have to do to make it correct again.
     
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  5. 72STAGE1

    72STAGE1 STAGE 1 & 2

    We grew up with Fords, Chevys and Dodges..... not Buick’s on the most part. Buick’s were Family and Granpa cars so our memories play a big part.
     
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  6. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Yep,..its all about the "memories" and the "stories" that were told thru the decades that decide values,...not what was better or faster ..just more prevalent
     
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  7. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    20k on Kenny's car was a fair # imo,..several things on the car were a turn off to Buick enthusiasts,..the abundance of emblems and the Hood mostly
     
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  8. Luxus

    Luxus Gold Level Contributor

    Part of it is similar to the real estate saying location, location, location. In other words what do people want. Lots of Chevy people out in the world and an original unmolested Nova (even a 6 cyl) gets mouths watering. They used to be common but that's a long time ago.
     
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  9. Dr. Roger

    Dr. Roger Stock enthusiast

    For many serious buyers, they often don't want a lot of somebody else's upgrades.

    Buicks are generally cheaper. I bought an original, unrestored 71 GS with running motor and new fenders for $3200, but was looking for a Chevelle. Cheapest unrestored 70-71 Chevelles I could find were way more expensive and were mostly eaten up with rust. But I like being the only one at the car show with a GS. There are always a bunch of Chevelles.... and Mustangs...I hate Mustangs.
     
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  10. TTNC

    TTNC Well-Known Member

    It may depend on the location, too. A guy I work with was just trying to sell a 283 Nova SS, I think it was a 63 or 64. The car looked pretty decent overall, it was that light teal green color. Price was in the high teens. He didn't get many bites off craigslist.
     
  11. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    The first gen novas aren't as hot,...the boxtops send people into a frenzy
     
  12. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    ls swap,..suspension and brake upgrades and nice wheels and the chevy 2 brings 50k
     
  13. wheelz

    wheelz 'B' is for Buick.

    All great points and opinions Guys. ThanX.

    Wheelz, Tampa Bay
     
  14. 66electrafied

    66electrafied Just tossing in my nickel's worth

    It's actually quite simple; growing up, everyone who was cool had a Chevy. The Buick belonged to your creepy rich uncle who constantly remembered your sister's birthday while forgetting yours.
     
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  15. Max Damage

    Max Damage I'm working on it!

    Yikes, sorry for your trauma!
     
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  16. Nailhead in a 1967

    Nailhead in a 1967 Kell-Mnown Wember

    of course
    so that makes all buick owners..... what?
     
  17. 2manybuicks

    2manybuicks Founders Club Member

    Like they say, the average age of Buick owners is "Dead". So there's that.
     
  18. Nailhead in a 1967

    Nailhead in a 1967 Kell-Mnown Wember

    here it says that the avarage age of buick buyers is 60.3 years
    2nd place, right between bugatti and lincoln owners:




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    3. Bugatti
    Avg. age of buyer: 59.5 years (tied-3rd highest)
    2013 U.S. unit sales: 1
    Unit sales pct. chg. (2012-2013): -50.0%

    Supercar maker Bugatti’s target market is already extremely exclusive. The age of the brand’s customer is likely less a question of preference and more an issue of accessibility. Car and Driver describes the target customer of a Bugatti Veyron, with its estimated price tag of nearly $2 million, as “those with all the money in the world and a desire to go blisteringly fast.” KBB figures indicate just one Bugatti was sold in the U.S. last year. Luxury cars often appeal to customers who have the means to treat themselves, and purchasing a Bugatti is perhaps the ultimate luxury expense.




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    2. Buick
    Avg. age of buyer: 60.3 years
    2013 U.S. unit sales: 205,509
    Unit sales pct. chg. (2012-2013): 13.9%

    With an average customer age of 60.3 years, Buick’s clientele is older than that of any other nonluxury vehicle. Buick has struggled more than other brands to move away from its image as an older driver’s brand. Still, Buick has been successfully improving its brand by adding cars that appeal more to younger buyers. Two SUVs, the full-size Enclave and compact Encore, have done well. Additionally, while Buick is not considered a luxury brand, its latest Regal model may provide a more affordable alternative to BMW and Mercedes-Benz sedans.




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    1. Lincoln
    Avg. age of buyer: 61 years
    2013 U.S. unit sales: 81,694
    Unit sales pct. chg. (2012-2013): -0.6%


    Last year, the average age of a Lincoln owner was 61 years old. Like other domestic makes, Lincoln, Ford’s F, -2.25% luxury brand had its heyday several decades ago, and it has struggled to compete as imported brands have successfully drawn in younger customers. The cost of a Lincoln, however, is not completely out of reach, as its prices tend to be on the lower end compared with other luxury makes. Brands like Lincoln are desperate to get younger buyers, as some of their current customers may never buy another car. Lincoln sold 81,694 vehicles last year, down slightly from 2012 levels.


    but this is a report from 2014
    do we have to add 6 years now to the average age?
    I DON'T KNOW...
    :p:D;)
     
  19. riv2x4

    riv2x4 Well-Known Member

    Very True. Parents had Chevy's, grandfather that I was close to had Buick's, mostly Wildcats. There are a few Bowtie cars from my childhood that I would love to find.
     
  20. faster

    faster Well-Known Member

    A question that will never be answered!

    Mikey
     

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