True bolt on FI system for a Buick 215, 300, 340, 350

Is anyone interested in a complete bolt on kit that is not cobbled, but is all new with a 1200 cfm TB?

I cannot gauge if it would be worth selling them since it costs around $2500. In todays world that is kinda pricey and I wanted to know if there would be any interest. It is capable of handling up to 41lbs of boost and is an SFI system. Would work great with the Burton Twins and E85 to make a ground pounding SBB. Lets hear your opinions.

 

i'll be interested in something that'll work with twinturbos in a blow through setup down the line...as in a year or possibly two from now

 

This can be used as a blow through setup using a standard carb hat and is capable of dual wideband O2 sensors.

It can be used in different variations with standard ford style throttle bodies and an intake adapter and standard O2 sensors to keep costs down. There are so many modifications that can be done to the system it is almost ridiculous.

It can be built from mild to wild and will control torque converter lockups on a 200-4R tranny, electric fan control, A/C clutch cutout/engagement as well as 2 rev limiters and automatic NO2 rpm window activation.

I have to admit it is pretty robust and very scalable to almost any budget. Using used factory parts is the coolest as there are a ton of 5.0 ford parts on EBAY and at the JY's that can be had for nothing. A stock SBB would be cheap and easy for a complete EFI system using used intake parts and existing ignition pieces.

 

When you say "true bolt on", I'm trying to figure out what that means.

I assume this would be a throttle-body injection system of some sort, but would still require converting to an electric fuel pump (not a "bolt on" operation in my opinion), a return fuel line, a significant amount of wiring, and so on.

Personally I have no interest (I already have FI and I have a big block), but I'm just trying to clarify what "true bolt on" means. All pre-made plug-in harnesses? Fuel pump with fittings already installed, and return line already cut to length with clips to attach it to the frame?

I spent about double your $2500 on my FI system so it sounds very appealing, I think the thread would benefit from some more detail about what you would (and would not) be providing.

-Bob C.

 

Sounds neat, but i stopped reading at $2500.... Sorry.

 

I think he is talking about a very high end setup and more than is required for a NA 350 under 400 hp. Do you have an idea of what the max hp for this setup would be? I have my MPFI setup designed for about 1000 hp, although it was pricey.

The Retrotek kit is about $1500 although not suited to boosting to over 700 hp

http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=189953

 

i'm investigating using rover fuel injection on a 300 with spacers made for the intake. not sure how affordable it all will be

 

Hmm, this has me daydreaming of blowing through TWO retrotek TB's on a big tunnel ram!ou:

 

I know that with you behind us anything is possible!

 

At 1200 CFM how come the 455 is not in the list of engines? Would you be able to data log with the system? $2500 gives me heart burn. I would rather put a $100 band aid on the engine blow it up spend $2000 to fix engine replace band aid with $2500 heart burn fixou: Seriously, can you give more details?

 

True bolt on is kind of misleading , sorry I mis-spoke. It bolts to any SBB with very little modification with exception of running some wiring, fuel lines/rails and mounting of some solenoids and a computer. Anything that would be expected of a SFI fuel injection system. It's not some cobbled 350 SCFM GM TBI with mega squirt computer and rubber fuel line. That is what I was getting after. It would be something that you would be proud to open your hood and display cause it looks like a FI system that fits a Buick and not a FI system that fits a 1975 Porsche 914 you made fit a Buick.

This system is not a throttle body FI system. It is a MPFI that works in batch fire or SFI. The throttle body has different versions of 1200, 1350, 1550, 2100 and 2600 (the last two with a dominator flange) SCFM. That should be large enough to fit anything you have to offer. It will handle a maximum of 1952 HP with no problems since the largest injector it handles is a 160 lbs/hr. Like I had said this is a robust system. There are many different levels of use for the system. From your daily driver 1983 Buick Regal Station Wagon Cream Puff V6 to the snarling twin hair dried 455 Stage 4 with a tunnel ram and NO2.

Honestly the price of the FI system would go up the more robust it was made, but starting with the same system none the less so simple upgrades can be made when needed and the system can grow with the vehicle it is in. So for all the wonderers....it can power a 195 HP 215 all the way up to the monster Sean is building or any crazy concoction Burton Machine can build.

The retrotek speed and Fast EZ-EFI would not even be on the same planet. Sure they are easy, but it's TBI with 4 injectors.

It could just as easily fit a 455 as the SBB but I posted it in the SBB section. That's why 455 is not on the list. I just wanted to see how much people would be interested before I started forking out cash. The Burton Machine Twin Turbo Kit is now available at different levels and I thought a good FI kit would make it work even better, so I did some research.

Data Logging is available in the Pro Versions of the computer system and can be purchased as well.

I told you I have been busy.
I wanted to see if it would be worth while to venture down this road. There are a few interested parties as far as I can tell. I will start putting one together to see if I can get it all to work out.

If you have any more questions please ask, $2500 was a spitball price, I will have to see how much it would really cost cause I think I can beat that price.
I will post some pics in the next installment.

 

Cool, keep us updated!

 

well i'm going to hold off on the csu blowthrough carb and fuel delivery stuff for a while to see where youre price ends up at

 

I am working on getting an intake from TA. Not so easy when overseas and an APO address is all you have. I'll see how it works out.

I sat down and added up the fuel injection pieces for a mean street and strip FI/Wide Band system. The whole thing came out to 2768 for the middle of the road wide band setup. It would have been $450 cheaper if I would have used and HEI dizzy but it will not allow for an SFI capability and required the system to run in batch fire.
The entire FI system is based on the Accel DFI Thruster engine kit. The magic is the adaptability and growth capability of the EFI system itself. I will attempt to piece together a system with only what I need (use a few 5.0 ford parts I have) and build a system for a 350 Buick.

I may need some help getting an intake as TA will not ship to APO via US Mail.

 

I'm curious how your proposed system compares with a, Profesional Products,"Projection III "?Their set-up retails for approx. $1500. Magazine article/installation was favorable. I have no personal experience. Considering for E85 on serious Rover. Thanks for your post, roverman.

 

Try to find a used Poston alum intake, since it is better suited to adding multiport injection due to the shape of the top of the runners. Not saying it will not work with the TA intake it will just take more work.

 

The Projection III looks great for the $, although there are many advantages of a multiport injection (MPFI) setup he is talking about including more precise fuel metering, possiblity for better fuel milage, and better throttle response.

The only advantage the Projection III would have over a high end MPFI setup is simpler install, and lower cost.

 

Another aspect of the system he is building is that the ignition timing will be integrated with the fuel injection compared to the Projection which uses a standard ignition (HEI or MSD or points). The advantage of this is the fuel injection system also controls the timing curve and can remove timing if it is needed. This is handy for engines with power adders since there are so many factors in how and when the timing needs to be a certain way.

These Prorection type Throttle Body setups are the simple way to get EFI without getting too involved in extra modications.

 

The Projection III is essentially a throttle body injection that is self tuning. It's great for your run of the mill DD and I really have no issues with it except it's made in China. It's supporting that whole communist thing I won't do. Sorry I don't care how cheap it is. The EZ EFI from FAST is really the same thing made in America and I think for the Naturally Aspirated enthusiest with 9.5:1 compression or less running nitrous on gasoline, it is the best thing you can buy. It's for the novice that want Fuel Injection.

Now.....for someone who has greater than 9.5:1 compression running E85 or multiple atmospheres (turbo or blower), a MPFI system is the only thing that can handle this type of complexity. The Accel DFI Thruster System has the ability to self tune just like the others but in alot more areas. You know the old saying....You get what you pay for. The DFI system is capable of running knock sensors to automatically control timing under load/boost. It can tune your entire fuel curve by itself, idle, part throttle, WOT and controls your timing while firing each injector (8 compared to the Projection III 4) for the cylinder firing sequentially.

When comparing FI systems the Professional Products System would be a row boat and the Accel DFI would be a steam ship. Both are made to sail the ocean, the steam ship gets there faster, handles more people, has booze and hot women. Row Boat.....well it's a row boat.

OK, working on getting an intake from TA. I tried to get a Poston S divider...they are now closed. The TA intake looks like it's gonna cost $600 unless I can find a used one or use someone else to install the injector bungs. For anyone else wanting to build this (or a similar MPFI) system, the injector bung installation can be completed on any intake manifold. The welding and machining is not really needed. Guys have installed the injector bungs with JB weld after drilling with a hand drill. I only have the option of using an Aluminum Intake as I have to send it APO to Australia. It's a PITA.

The price is getting up there. I'll put a parts list and price guide up tomorrow that highlights all the parts to make a Buick system. With a little ingenuity and some outsourcing of JY Ford 5.0 parts a FI system could be put together for cheap (approximately $2300 that would handle boost and E85). A 70mm throttle body for a Ford 5.0 is 830 cfm and can be found in the JY easy.

 

Just curious as to why Ford 5.0L FI parts. Is it because they are cheap & plentiful or are they easier to adapt than GM FI parts? Is adapting a SFI system from a 5.7L Vortec not feasable?