toms roller rockers vs cam and valves from ta

Discussion in ''Da Nailhead' started by TAANK, Sep 17, 2007.

  1. TAANK

    TAANK Well-Known Member

    should i put in toms roller rockers or a new cam and the larger valves from ta performance, anyone ever use the headers from ta on a 1963 lesabre ?
     
  2. nailheadnut

    nailheadnut Riviera addict

    Ask Tom, he'll tell you how they compare. Maybe both?
     
  3. yacster

    yacster Lv the gun tk the Canolis

    Jake you know where I stand on this issue, i PM'd you about it. TT's rockers are Da Bomb for Da Nailhead! :grin:
     
  4. wkillgs

    wkillgs Gold Level Contributor

    If your valvetrain is in good shape, adding only the rockers will give you higher lift, without affecting the duration....so idle quality, and vacuum levels will be simular to stock.

    If your cam has worn lobes, your springs are weak, or your guides or valve seats need attention, then you'll need to replace those items anyway.
    If you can afford it, do it all!!

    Either way, you'll want to improve the intake and exhaust systems to take full advantage of the valvetrain mods.:TU:
     
  5. jamhdit

    jamhdit Just nuts about buick's

    does anyone have anything good to say about ta roller rockers?

    i know tom is a good supporter of this web site but are ta roller rockers any good?
     
  6. nailheadnut

    nailheadnut Riviera addict

    If I'm reading you correctly, I think you're confused. Tom T. makes roller rockers for nailheads, TA Performance has roller rockers for the later big blocks, 430 and 455. As far as I know, unless TA is buying them from Tom and reselling his, they don't have roller rockers for nailheads. There've been many good post telling you that Tom's rockers are great, not one bad one; what else are you looking for?
     
  7. TAANK

    TAANK Well-Known Member

    The engine had a fresh rebuild about 6 years ago now it has new cam, 30 over pistons and i'm guessing he rebuilt the heads with stock components. also what is toms screen name so i can pm him... the ta valves are oversized so i'm guessing that would greatly improve flow
     
  8. buickbonehead

    buickbonehead WOT Baby!

    Tom's screen name is TELRIV.

    Rick
     
  9. jamhdit

    jamhdit Just nuts about buick's

    yes ta does have roller rockers for nailheads but i guess no one has used them yet. they are in there catilogg and price sheets
     
  10. buickbonehead

    buickbonehead WOT Baby!


    Do you have a TA part #? I only see rebuilt OEM rocker arms.

    Rick
     
  11. jamhdit

    jamhdit Just nuts about buick's

    ta 1308 is the part # $899.00

    i downloaded the newest price list
     
  12. yacster

    yacster Lv the gun tk the Canolis

    Last I heard they were still not available from TA. :Do No:
     
  13. buick64203

    buick64203 Just plum crazy Staff Member

    I suspect that the TA 1308s are Tom's. I cant see TA coming out with their own if they're already being made. From what I read, they're made by "Wildcat" as opposed to T&D.

    I figured Tom would name his company "Telesco" a name synonymous with Nailhead performance:TU:
     
  14. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

  15. jamhdit

    jamhdit Just nuts about buick's

    Tom Was In On The Design Of These Roller Rockers And They Are Similare Except For The Bearings On The Shaft Which Tom Say You Dont Need. And Many Other Gear Heads Ive Talked To Said You Dont Need, Im Just Wondering If Anyone Has Used Them And What Are The Results?
     
  16. telriv

    telriv Well-Known Member

    Most all of the questions can be answered when you read the posts on "tom's roller rockers". I feel they are a great product more geared towards "Racing" than street drivin' stockers. How many in the WORLD are racing "NailHeads" full time????? Maybe a dozen???? And a dozen is pushin' it. Other parts are also needed to complete the conversion like pushrods, valve springs & valve covers. Cleaver advertising, you need to read the rest of the small print or else it's missed for the most part. I don't have the $$$$$ for a catalog, only the internet & word of mouth. Every dollar goes back into investing for more. If you look they are almost exactly the same because for the most part they ARE!!! Mike was so far into it he couldn't stop either, just as I. He & I were both at the same frustration level after more than 2 1/2 years so I just got everything back & rolled with it myself. I'm not knockin' the product as time will tell, but I think mine will out perform & last. Crane has been selling "roller tip rockers" the way I have designed the "NailHead Roller Tip Rockers" for many years on other applications, for racing applications, also with no problems. There is LITTLE or NO HP to be gained with a "Full Roller", it's been proven, not by me. For our "Nails" I feel it's overkill ( as well as many others) along with the possibility of devastating results IF they do go bad. I would rather have soft pieces of aluminum running through my engine than hardened pieces of tool steel if they do wear out. Problem is, when they do wear out & you know about it, it's too late, the damage is already done. Think about it!!!! What happens if some of the "Special" parts need replacing 1, 5 or 10 years down the road. Where do you find them????? The only "Special" parts on mine are "Rockers" & stock replacement parts that are available in the worst case at a salvage yard. They have been on my car for more than 12K miles now, as well as many others, with absolutely NO PROBLEMS!!!!!! I DO have dyno testing under my belt, both engine & chassis. Many street drivin' miles as well as dyno time, many times. I'm into my 2nd. run of 50 sets now & am receiving units as we speak. So, as the saying goes " It's time to **** or get off the pot!!!!!!". Get your deposits in, NOW!!!!!! before this 2nd run is gone!!!!! Word of mouth is the best advertising & Tony & Wes are users & advertisers.


    Telesco's NailHead Adjustable Roller Tip Rocker Arm Company

    Thanks,

    Tom Telesco
     
  17. lowcadirider

    lowcadirider lowcadyrider

    head gaskets nedd help asp

    tomorrow (well today sense its already wednesday) im geting back my 322 nailhead engine block from machine shop and i already dot all new parts to put the engine back together (exept new carb. sense my is in unrebuildable shape) but today when i picked up entire engine gasket set it came with metal head gaskets and in instruction for the head gaskets it said that i should use small layer of sealer on each side of metal head gasket but it didnt say what kind of sealer i should use , i changed headgaskets on few other cars b4 but none of them were metal and i dint had to use any sealer , so does anyone know wheat kind of sealer i should use

    would RTV gasket sealer work on head gaskets and im talking about the TRV sealer that u usualy use for oilpans, valvecovers and etc
     
  18. lowcadirider

    lowcadirider lowcadyrider

    head gaskets nedd help asp

    ^^^^ sorry hit reply insted of posting new tread
     
  19. telriv

    telriv Well-Known Member

    Copper Coat. Comes in a spray can available at most Auto parts stores. Read the instructions, install wet.
     
  20. nailheadina67

    nailheadina67 Official Nailheader

    Using hardened needle bearings in a spot that takes up so much force really is a bad idea IMO. Add that to the "offset" geometry of the Nailhead rocker arms, and it's no surprise that design could spell disaster. It would seem to me that all the load would be taken up on one side of the bearing. These things are very brittle, I've seen the results in small engine powered equipment when they start to come apart. I can only imagine what all those little hardened pieces would do to an oil pump!

    The old Jacobsen snowblowers used a needle bearing on one of the drive gears for many years. Anytime I got one for service, that bearing was shot and the shaft along with it. I replace them with bronze bushings and they seem to last forever.

    Not to lessen Tom's roller rockers, but the standard rockers I have in my Nailhead are the remanufactured ones with the bronze bushings and so far they are wearing very well. Perhaps when I get the $$$ and can convince the wife I need to spend that much on the car, I'll be running a set of Tom's roller rockers too. :)
     

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