Tomahawk Dragster

Discussion in 'Tomahawk Block Buildups' started by ken betts, Aug 15, 2011.

  1. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member


    Aren't you the one that had a set of heads done by Speier Racing Heads? If not maybe you need to call Speier Racing heads and see what he says about your theory Flow bench's do more then Do flow, Darin Morgan and Chad Speier will be happy to explain everything you might want to say negative about what I say, Both have more records in racing then anyone in here period. Untill you or any one else can do what Darin has then you have something to say. I know, I have already talked to Darin,Chad, Joe, and every cylinder head manifacture out there except T/A. They all said " Buick has potential if they get the head to FLOW and have the VELOCITY right, It's all in the port design." I don't see any body on here having a Cylinder head and induction class for everyone, even some big name Buick guy's have attended and was blowin away on what they learned. If anyone wants to make a cylinder head do what Darin told me " attend my class for a weekend and you will know what to do and have done for half the price" Look at his class and see whats all involved. It's everything you could of dream of. And you get CD's and other things to help you out.. Here is a copy and paste from his website,
    Pro Stock Customers
    Past and present customers who have utilized Darin Morgan/Reher Morison Cylinder heads in NHRA Pro Stock competition.
    Bruce Allen
    Bob Glidden
    George Marnell
    Mike Edwards
    John Nobile
    Grant Lewis
    V-Gains
    Jerry Haas
    Mark Wisnant
    Larry Morgan
    Ken Koretsky
    Rick Jones
    Tommy Leindahl
    Larry Nance
    Gordie Revera
    Bob Benza
    Tom Hammonds
    Tony Rizzo
    Mark Pawik
    Ed Heck
    Carl Beal
    Carty Beal
    Dester Cambrone
    Tony Gillig
    Gary Herman
    John Kasse Racing Engines
    2008 IHRA Pro Stock world record. Brian Gahm 6.281@ 223.95mph
    Ford Hemi heads with Darin Morgan CNC ports and chamber designs.
    Awesome Al Anabi Motorsports
    Mike Castallana, Shannon Jenkins
    2008 Nitrous Pro Modified world record holder. 5.96 ET @ 240+mph
    Harrold Martin
    Pro Modified
    General Motors
    IRL cylinder head project
    Pat Stoken
    Pro Modified 6.06 @ 234.54
    Sean Dodd
    2008 NHRA Competition Eliminator B/AA world record holder. 7.006 @ 196.49
    DRCE cylinder heads
    Clint Neff and David From
    2008 Competition Eliminator world record holder K/A 7.85 ET
    Custom 4 cylinder DRCE cylinder head
    Frank and Scott Parks
    Neil and Parks Race Cars
    JR Fuel world champions and world record holders year after year after year!
    Dale Earnhardt Incorporated
    JRs first win in 2000! Numerous other race wins top qualifying spots.
    SB2.2 heads with Darin Morgan CNC ports and chamber designs.
    Hendrick Motorsports
    SB2.2 cylinder heads.
    Ron Hutter
    SB2.2 cylinder heads.
    Joe Pigford
    Texas Pro-Stock champion and record holder many years running.
    Schumacher Racing
    Antron Brown and Angel Sampey
    Suzuki P/S Motorcycle
    Charles Nearburg
    "Spirit of Rett" stream liner
    Fastest single engine gas powered streamliner in the world record 409mph speed
    422mph exit speed. Making Charles only the 8th person in history to run 400mph!
    Just think, we did it with ONE ENGINE!
    Brule Motorsports
    Drag Boat
    World record holding Pro Gas Jet. Class champion many years in a row
    Mike and Brad Personett
    Top Sportsman
    Don Smith
    P/S truck
    Rick Jones
    P/S Truck
    Scott Perin
    P/S Truck
    Mark Wisnant
    P/S Truck
    And the list goes on and on and on and on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Unitll you have a list like that your wasteing you time guessing. Now go here http://www.darinmorgan.com/ and read the rest for a chance to learn something that you won't ever forget. I would of attended already but money is tight for me rt now.
     
  2. JESUPERCAT

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Gary this is just one of the Goals we have.

    On a related note I will be driving a blown Donovan front engine dragster this weekend to finish up my NHRA Fuel license http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=235386.

    To license in one of these cars is around $500.00 a pass:shock: .
    I have a great friend that needed a new driver and I was lucky enough to have been chosen:Brow: . I will let you know how it goes:kodak: .

    I will be picking up the Tomahawk this coming week to start the exhaust, oil pan and overall mock-up in the Supercat. I will post some pictures as we progress.
     
  3. mltdwn12

    mltdwn12 Platinum Level Contributor

    Hey Ken & John, are you going to run the NHRA Nostagia Top Fuel class? Do you think the Buick head will hold up with the stock number of head bolts and the factory pattern? Can you even add the extra bolts TA's been doing for years?
     
  4. ken betts

    ken betts Well-Known Member

    What a great question. Remember the early Hemi's only had 10 bolts but were a smaller bore and they did work. However our solid S2 TE heads that we had cast will have an extra row of bolts top and bottom. We are considering making them 7/16" instead of the 3/8". Since we are already working on the next generation head, we will try to work in some changes before the ones we have are ported. Some will be surprised at the size of the intake valve, but there is a method to our madness and the next generation will be bigger. We are not running a 4.5" bore in this effort but we have the right sleeves in the block to do that later. As far as Nostalgia Top Fuel, That is the eventual plan. We are already working on pro's in that field for their help. Parts manufactures and engine tuners. It looks like John will be driving for one of them this weekend. Most of you probably don't know that I ran Kenne-Bell back in the 70"s with engine builder Doug Jones. He always gives great wisdom when it comes to racing and it is something all Buick racers should listen to. He says "GET WITH THE TOP PROS FOR HELP" they have already done what we want to do. That means you will rub shoulders with the Chrysler, Chevy and Ford guys. So what's wrong with using the secrets from the enemy? Buick now has a block that will take anything we can throw at it and a solid head that is very strong. Next step.... solid billet head, of course we are working on it. We will try to have it gun drilled for the strip racers who need some water flow to get back to the pits. Again watch the pros and listen! ken ps. Mike at TA has been doing a heck of a job for a long time. TA needs all our support and encouragement. Call TA order your parts, be patient and thank him and his crew for making this possible!
     
  5. mltdwn12

    mltdwn12 Platinum Level Contributor

    Thanks for the reply Ken, I was bragging to a friend at work about your project and he always does what he can to shoot the Buick down, in good fun, and he said you have to use the factory head bolt pattern to run NHRA Nostalgia Top Fuel class, which prompted my question. Do you know if this is true? Can't wait to see more pictures and results for the dragster!
     
  6. JESUPERCAT

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Craig if I remember correctly "Factory style" heads must be able to bolt on to the block.(I will ask at Tech this weekend and let you know). Many people have additional head studs and bolts trying to keep their heads on. Sometimes with little to no success:eek2: . Sometimes when bad things are going to happen they just happen regardless of your intentions.
    I will email a picture to you next week from the team I am driving for that launched a blower and injector assembly into the pits as they went through the traps at the end. One of the 417 heads was still connected:shock: . This is why they have so many restraint systems today.

    The track we will do a lot of our testing at will be SpeedWorld in AZ. We will post when we are going out so you can bring your friend:laugh:.

    Eric yes the limit is 500 ci. for the class. I had to check:Dou: .
    The people that want the engine to last(budget minded racers) use large blocks sleeved down and stroked accordingly to be in the 400ci range. Not the fastest out there, but out there, waiting for the guy in the other lane to break or have an issue. We will be able to in crease our potential ci. size a lot if needed as we go along.

    Heading to Bakersfield later today:3gears: I am hoping to run a 5.99 or 225+ this weekend. I will try to get some video clips from the weekend to post in the bench.
     
  7. Larry J

    Larry J Stuck on Buick

    Wow, I've got goosebumps just reading about this.:grin:
     
  8. mltdwn12

    mltdwn12 Platinum Level Contributor

    Good luck John :beer Yeah, when you get back to Speedworld let me know, I'll be there!
     
  9. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member


    This is what I have been trying to say, but they have it covered already, They don't even realize, Chubby and Ford has used Buick valve angles to achieve more power from this angles...:Do No: Now think about this for one second, Chubby did not have the first Splayed valve engine! Ford Capitalized on it by adding canted valve to the already splayed valve. Now go out there and make the Buick community proud and make a cylinder head like no other.
     
  10. JESUPERCAT

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Craig we had a blast last weekend. 2nd pass 2.80sec. -330 ft launch went to about 450 ft and let off and coasted to a 7.2 - 1/4 mile:eek2: I think I found my next job:laugh: .
    I will put a thread in the Bench later today with more details and picture/video.
    1 more pass for my TF license......
    Thanks for the good luck:beers2:
     
  11. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member

    Remember We don't race flow bench's but you speak of Big Chief style heads! Hummm, Well maybe you should know the flow of a good set of Big Chiefs to freshen y'all's memory. DART 18 Degree
    CNC Full 424/185
    --
    No Pipe
    95 - - - - - - - -
    492/343
    69.72%
    1235 hp
    -
    N/A
    N/A
    1.160/1.854


    Yup, that's the potential you need to compete.
    DART 11 Degree
    Oval CNC Full 512/-
    --
    No Pipe
    N/A - - - - - - - -
    545/360
    66.06%
    1368 hp
    -
    N/A
    N/A
    1.064

    Now we are startin to play seriously. Ok it's time to stop playing around, here is the guy you need to talk with and the reason why!
    Sonny's 14.5 Deg 548/204 2.520/1.860
    4.625 73-77 - - - - - - - -
    555/378
    68.11%
    1393 hp
    -
    N/A
    N/A
    1.013/1.853

    If you want Hemi style heads then you see him again.
    Sonny's Hemi N/A - N/A - - - - - - - - -
    590/390
    66.10%
    1481 hp
    -
    And thats why Sonny,Dart, Profiler, Reher-Morrison has more wins then anyone out there. They know how to use a flow bench to there advantage, and for one second if you don't think the top dogs from Top Fuel dragsters don't use one, Maybe you should just ask one of them or call them direct or Call http://www.marcellamanifolds.net/ better yet here is his number
    Phone (248) 259-6696 He will proudly tell you they do, he was on one team for a while. I have confidence in guys but you need help and I'm willing to give you the people you need to contact to get a start. I don't want no recognition from it at all, matter of fact you don't even have to mention my name. All want to do it help if possible.
     
  12. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member

    The plot thickness,
    Pro-Systems Carburetors

    Trick and Mansweto from Australia fired up their 694 c.i. Ford Hemi last night. The SV1 equipped Hemi made 1502 h.p.!! Tricky said theres more power in the program as they overloaded the exhaust flow capabilities of the dyno room. The Darin Morgan designed Profiler heads flowed 659 cfm!! Man those Trick/Mansweto guys can make some power...BUT there is still about 1000 h.p. of Nitrous coming next.

    That's a straight copy from Facebook.com from Pro-Systems Carburetors. Maybe you should actually think twice about a flow bench reading. Darin Morgan sure does:laugh::shock:... Oh by the way here is the engine too. [​IMG]
     
  13. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member

    Remember when I said Marcella Manifolds is the guy to go to? Here this is his lastest project that he just started and its a Ford Victor JR intake for Robert Yates head's that's been chopped up and being rewelded for a Buick headed small block Chevy. [​IMG] Now just [​IMG]think, T/A don't even offer an intake for this heads, no one does for that fact, only Sheet metal intakes. Not this one.
     
  14. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member

    I have to ask can anyone weld this good in here,[​IMG],[​IMG],[​IMG],[​IMG], How about build stuff like this,[​IMG], [​IMG], [​IMG], [​IMG], [​IMG], [​IMG], Now tell me who can do some bad arse shxt? That's Marcella Manifolds for ya.
     
  15. JESUPERCAT

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Well we are cranking along with the Tomahawk now:laugh: .
    Actually we are focused on the head development at the moment. Which is starting to come together. I will put up a thread in the next few days as to what will be going on with that aspect of the build.

    Here are a few pictures of the new crank from Crower/TA Performance I picked it up yesterday while in Phoenix. Thanks Mike.
    I am guessing it is one of the first Crower cranks for a Buick that is labeled "Blown Nitro" on the build card:TU:
     

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  16. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Awesome. Keep us posted. I'm an armchair drag racer right now but appreciate your pursuit.

    Dvon
     
  17. JESUPERCAT

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Here is a copy of the crank specs, if anyone is interested:Do No:

    Thanks for the positive comments everyone:beer . It's a long slow road but we are learning a lot and moving forward:TU:
     

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  18. killrbuick66455

    killrbuick66455 Well-Known Member

    LOOKS LIKE A VERY LIGHT CRANK !!
     
  19. JESUPERCAT

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Eric the crank is 78 lbs. Not the lightest, but that is not such an issue with blown nitro. The over-all strength of the crank is far more critical. Our idle will be around 22-2400 rpm so crank speed at the hit of the throttle is already up there.
    Also the crank hub and blower pulley are about a third the weight of an SFI damper assembly.
     
  20. killrbuick66455

    killrbuick66455 Well-Known Member

    anything on the head development ??
     

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