I can't seem to find any good pictures of the ta long tubes that show me what I'm looking for. I have major fitment issues with the Doug's on the passenger side of the cutlass, and I suspect that the number 6 primary is routed differently on the ta piece. I noted the ta headers are sold as 68-72 a body and 78-88 g body where the Doug's are not. I got them for a deal and I'm thinking I should have bit the bullet on the ta headers instead. If anybody has any pictures of how the numbers 4 and 6 make their way down past the frame, I would love to see them. Mine go almost straight down and contact the frame, where the only stock photos of the ta's I can find make it look like that tube kicks inward a bit on the way down.