Has anyone looked into the early fwd 3.8 accessories? They should all bolt up since the heads are the same as the red engines.
In an earlier post Weekender stated: "I have not been able to get the newest version together and installed on my engine as of yet, but will post as soon as I do. This version uses the short water pump with a Ford 302 CI water pump pulley and a NEW ASP Pulley on the crank. This eliminates both adapters for the W/P and Crankshaft pulleys." Anyone know which ASP pulley he's referring to? I went to their website and they make all sorts of pulleys for both foreign and domestic vehicles but they don't show any dimensions.
Does anyone have this specs on his adapters and the known parts? It would be good if those were preserved so we could possibly get them made. Maybe someone like T/A would be interested in buying his designs?
The only spec I found was from one of Weekender's earlier posts; the adapter plates for the heads are 3/4 in thick.
Just discovered something interesting... ASP part #820021 is a Ford serpentine water pump pulley that appears to have universal mounting holes, similar in appearance to the Spectre and Mr. Gasket Universal water pump pulley spacers.:shock: I wonder if this is the water pump pulley Weekender was talking about? From the looks of it, the diameter looks similar to a stock BBB water pump pulley (for cars with a/c) but it's offset appears similar only to the '67-'70 water pump pulleys. This would explain why Weekender said we would need to use the short water pump since these were only used on the '67-'70 400-430-455s. http://www.buickperformanceclub.com/455pulleybrkts.htm
Uploading pics from.my phone is bout impossible but here's one will try a couple more, yea no.go on anymore pics but I can email them and any info you may need or want
That would be great, thanks. BTW, did you not include the a/c compressor because it didn't fit or because you just don't need it? Any cooling or power steering issues?
Didn't include AC because no need for it but it would have went in.its original location had it not been for the up and forward facing header, alternator is from.a 92 4runner or highlander can't remember which but its a very small 120amp unit. Power steering didn't have enough wrap so I made a idler pully setup to alleviate that issue. Crank and water pump pullys had to.be shimmed out, alternator pulley is the stock GN pulley with a press fit sleeve to adapt it to the shaft on the toyota alt, alternator is slid on the stock stud that held the AC compressor with a slip fit sleeve in it to facilitate hassle free replacement if need be, idler is some 3/8 plate,some 1 5/8 water pipe , a 12mm lock nut welded in the end which receives the bolt that passes throu the pulley and adjusted via a jam nut and the fact that it screws in to the water pipe.
GUESS MY RESPONSES JUST KEEP GETTING GLOSSED OVER SO I WILL PUT IN ALL CAPS ou: --- THE GN SERP SETUP WILL WORK JUST LIKE IT DOES FROM THE FACTORY INC OEM GN 120A ALTERNATOR, EVERYTHING BOLTS RIGHT UP WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM SOME SPACERS/WASHERS THAT CAN BE BOUGHT AT MENARDS, LOWES, ETC.... NO NEED TO MAKE CUSTOM BRACKETS EXCEPT FOR P/S REZZY. MY SETUP WAS DONE WITH AN ELECTRIC WP BUT WITH THE GN PULLEY YOU COULD USE STOCK 455 WP TOO. I USED THE AC DELETE PULLEY SINCE I DIDN'T HAVE AC BUT YOU COULD USE FACTORY COMPRESSOR TOO I WOULD THINK. LOOKS A LITTLE LIGHT ON THE PASSENGER SIDE WITH NOTHING THERE BUT IT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR A SUPERCHARGER, TURBO, OR IN MY CASE MY COIL. LAST TIME I SAY THIS, LOL, HARDEST PART IS ACQUIRING ALL THE PARTS FROM A GN.
That is correct. No matter how you skin this cat ( Hugger's or my way ) you would need to eliminate the manual pump and go to an electric. Hugger can chime in to confirm since I don't know all the details of his build or conversion.
To clarify mine is on my V6, not a 455 but same principle applies obviously, I modified mine for a cleaner look and to moreso make real estate for my header since it goes up and forward. And it took.some engineering just to get where im at with mine, the stock GN setup just sticks the alternator up.so high thats my biggest issue with it that and the dr44 alts are pretty beefy too, pretty sure a cs124 will bolt in its place tho
As I recall you mentioned in another post about these that you had to use a smaller crank pulley to clear the water pump and a smaller distributor. Can you elaborate? I'm about to do my car with basically the same setup but with a/c in a Skylark convertible. Ray
Hmmmm....dont recall saying that. If i did my bad. Anywhoo, the crank pulley is just the stock GN crank pulley. I was using a mallory dizzy but i would think any small cap dizzy would work, not sure about an hei never tried it that way. I ran an electric wp so i had to use a shorter belt but if u use the stock gn wp pulley the stock belt should work for ya.
I'm going electric water pump. It gets 110+ in the summer here in the San Fernando Valley, so I'd like to keep fluids flowing stop or go. I'm doing the a/c aftermarket so the belt's probably gonna have to get custom measured. I agree with you that the GN system is the way to go. I'm using an LS conversion aluminum radiator that has both hoses on the right to fill up the space. By the way I bought the GN setup right here on this site...
Would love to see pix when you get it all done! Feel free to PM if you have any questions -- Ill do my best to help along the way if needed! :TU:
Well, after 2 months of R&D, I finally came up with a bolt-on serpentine setup that keeps true to Weekender's original intent and won't cost folks an arm and a leg. Mine is similar to Weekender's Phase III design (http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?246714-Weekender-s-Phase-3-Serpentine-Belt-System) in the way the belt is routed except mine uses a different ac compressor bracket and a custom idler pulley bracket that gets inserted and bolted into the alternator bracket. This design ensures the water pump pulley has sufficient pulley wrap and gives it an over all clean, "factory look" to it. The white string shows the routing of the belt. It's about 95% complete... I still need to fabricate a few support brackets/rods to keep it secured but the picture pretty much shows what it looks like. I'll post more details about it later. Let me know what you think.
