SBB 350 stroker build

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    Where is this 2014 build at, ever get finished?

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      300sbb_overkillWWG1WGA. MAGA
      This will be a sbb 350 with a 4.00" stroke with as big of a bore as the sonic test will allow minus .010" for future rebuilds.

      This is the block as it arrived at the machine shop;

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    2. pmuller9Well-Known Member
      Great project!

      We need a larger picture of the block.

      What heads will you be using?

      Paul

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      300sbb_overkillWWG1WGA. MAGA
      1) Is the block getting ready to go into the oven.

      2) Is Dave getting ready to load engine into the oven.

      3) Is block being cooked in the oven with the lid open. This operation burns off all the dirt and oil on the block.

      4) Is on its way out of the oven. The black soot is from the propane used in cooking it.

      5) Is the block going in the bead blaster.This operation cleans the soot off as well as the rust,after this process the block looks like a new casting.

      Bear with me,I'm not that good at loading all these pictures,I trying to put them all in order.LOL

      I still have more,stay tuned.



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      300sbb_overkillWWG1WGA. MAGA
      1) After bead blasting,nice and clean.

      2)Block being magna fluxed to check for cracks.

      3) Crack found from magna fluxing in between two freeze plugs!!!:af:

      4) Back to the drawing room,have to find another block.:ball:







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      300sbb_overkillWWG1WGA. MAGA

      Great project!

      We need a larger picture of the block.

      What heads will you be using?

      Paul
      Well,at this point pics don't really matter Paul,I need to find another block now.

      Anyone near southeastern Michigan that has a sbb 350 rebuildable core? I live northwest of Detroit,in Rochester Hills(the slums of Rochester Hills,LOL)

      If I can find a replacement block or rebuildable core locally I can get this project restarted right away,if I have to travel it will take a few weeks before I could pick one up. Thanks in advance.

      Derek

      PS
      I'll try to figure out how to post the pics better next block.


      Derek

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    6. pmuller9Well-Known Member

      I'll try to figure out how to post the pics better next block.

      Derek
      Register with Drop box.

      They have a Public folder that you can store your pictures and copy the URL link to the posting here.

      I just got this set of BBC rods in for a BBB twin turbo build.
      Need to order pistons next
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      Paul

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      Gary Farmer"The Paradigm Shifter"
      Paul,

      That thing looks like it's made out of tool steel. :)

      Derek, what about welding the crack?

      Grooving it and do some cold welding with cast iron rods. Can anyone in your area do that? Or would you not feel safe with it being such a high-end engine build?


      Gary

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      300sbb_overkillWWG1WGA. MAGA

      Paul,

      That thing looks like it's made out of tool steel. :)

      Derek, what about welding the crack?

      Grooving it and do some cold welding with cast iron rods. Can anyone in your area do that? Or would you not feel safe with it being such a high-end engine build?


      Gary
      Click to expand...
      This is going to be a high HP and torque build,it can be fixed but it wouldn't be pretty,and no garanties that it would hold.:( So we are going to start from scatch,you don't want to do a lot of expensive machine work to something that "might" be good enough.


      We haven't given up though,just need to find another core to start with.:TU:


      Derek

      ---------- Post added at 11:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:44 PM ----------


      Register with Drop box.

      They have a Public folder that you can store your pictures and copy the URL link to the posting here.

      I just got this set of BBC rods in for a BBB twin turbo build.
      Need to order pistons next
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      Paul
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      Compstar makes a good looking rod,but aren't I-beams stronger and lighter?(I heard that some where)

      What pistons are you going with? Will they be a spherical dish piston? Hopefully you'll start a thread on v8buick for that build,can't wait to read the details! SWEET!!!

      Derek


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    9. pmuller9Well-Known Member

      Compstar makes a good looking rod,but aren't I-beams stronger and lighter?(I heard that some where)

      What pistons are you going with? Will they be a spherical dish piston? Hopefully you'll start a thread on v8buick for that build,can't wait to read the details! SWEET!!!

      Derek
      Yes, Properly constructed aftermarket I-beams are stronger and for this particular 6.8" long rod the I-beam weighs 10 grams less than the H-beam.
      However the I beam version of this rod cost over $200 more per set than the H-beam.

      This H-beam will have plenty of margin for this build.
      These rods come with the L-19 bolt and I can get them for just $40 more per set than the Eagle rods.

      What we found with the Eagle rods is, too often they need to benSSBB stroker buildSBB resized right out of the box to get the big end bores within .0002" for bearing fit.
      The Compstars rarely need any attention out of the box and end up being cheaper as a result.

      The pistons will be Diamond Spherical dish.

      Paul

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      300sbb_overkillWWG1WGA. MAGA

      Yes, Properly constructed aftermarket I-beams are stronger and for this particular 6.8" long rod the I-beam weighs 10 grams less than the H-beam.
      However the I beam version of this rod cost over $200 more than the H-beam.
      This H-beam will have plenty of margin for this biuld.
      These rods come with the L-19 bolt and I can get them for just $40 more per set than the Eagle rods.

      The pistons will be Diamond Spherical dish.

      Paul
      10 grams less for $200 more,yeah the H-beams with the ARP L-19 bolts should hold up great.:TU:


      Derek

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      Gary Farmer"The Paradigm Shifter"

      This is going to be a high HP and torque build,it can be fixed but it wouldn't be pretty,and no garanties that it would hold.:( So we are going to start from scatch,you don't want to do a lot of expensive machine work to something that "might" be good enough.


      We haven't given up though,just need to find another core to start with.:TU:


      Derek

      I kinda figured as much. It would probably be fine for a stock or mild build though. (There is a technique you can use so it's welded properly with no risk of re-cracking, then grind down the surface so it's contoured with the rest of the block. It looks good. It isn't like the crack exists near a main or cylinder bore.)

      Buick 350's aren't that difficult to locate, so you should be back on track soon!

      Everything's lookin good.

      Oh...about posting photos: there's an icon in the list of 'buttons' you see just above this area where you type in your text. It'll be in the area just right of the place where you see 1,2,3 on top of each other. It's the next area over, on the right. Use your mouse, and just move the mouse over the icons. A (what is known as) 'mouseover' will appear, which is a little window flashes up where the mouse moved, and as you move them over the icons, you'll see 'link' 'unlink' 'insert image' 'insert video'.

      Click the 'insert image' button. This is how you post pics.

      You'll be given an option to put in url's or find a file from your computer. You can look for your files on your computer then. Easiest way for a layperson is to put stuff on your desktop and transfer them from there.

      Let me know if you need more help and I'll guide you through it, or you can call me. You still have my number?



      Gary

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    12. rovermanWell-Known Member
      First-off , I applaud your effort. You will be having a billet crank made, for this undersquare build ? You might consider "Hardblok", something like a 1/2 fill, to strengthen the lower cylinder wall areas ? Steel billet caps/girdle ? Good Luck, roverman.

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      300sbb_overkillWWG1WGA. MAGA

      First-off , I applaud your effort. You will be having a billet crank made, for this undersquare build ? You might consider "Hardblok", something like a 1/2 fill, to strengthen the lower cylinder wall areas ? Steel billet caps/girdle ? Good Luck, roverman.
      Thanks for your applause.

      Yeah, the first time I tried to post this thread my internet explorer crashed and I had to start over. Anyway this will be block filled about 1" below the deck,and will have a girdle to handle some boost,will probably use the factory caps(not sure yet).

      As far as a billet crank,probably not on this one,but maybe the next one? The crank will be heat treated though to help it survive.:Brow:

      Derek

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    14. alec296i need another buick
      Crank will be a nitrated 70"N" crank with sci balancer and flex plate with custom pistons and H beam rods.heads will be 70 vintage also with all head work organized by Derek.but optional Ta aluminum if they come out in time. TA single plane could also land on this engine. but plan is in place for build as it was planned out before TA announced that they are working on them.Possible that a supercharger could also land on it but just working plans.

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    15. rovermanWell-Known Member
      Re: SBB 350 stroker build, got billet crank ?

      There is a skilled U.S. billet crank manufacturer, who will quote to build minimum (5) qty. cranks. I am sending a drawing, for this purpose. If anyone is seriously interested, send me a pm. please. Thanks, roverman. :TU:

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      Nothingface5384Detail To Oil - Car Care
      Re: SBB 350 stroker build, got billet crank ?


      There is a skilled U.S. billet crank manufacturer, who will quote to build minimum (5) qty. cranks. I am sending a drawing, for this purpose. If anyone is seriously interested, send me a pm. please. Thanks, roverman. :TU:
      will he be cheaper then the guy I plan to go through? 2400ish

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    17. rovermanWell-Known Member
      Re: SBB 350 stroker build, got billet crank ?


      will he be cheaper then the guy I plan to go through? 2400ish
      >> Perhaps we should ask, "this guy", for a price on (5), in a run ? We are talking 4340 billet, with optional strokes, and 2.5" mains possible ? Thans, roverman.

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      Nothingface5384Detail To Oil - Car Care
      Re: SBB 350 stroker build, got billet crank ?


      >> Perhaps we should ask, "this guy", for a price on (5), in a run ? We are talking 4340 billet, with optional strokes, and 2.5" mains possible ? Thans, roverman.
      dug through the quote and it was for a one off range of 2200-2500
      any stroke and bearing combo
      E4340 TIMKEN
      good for 1000+
      12-14 week turn around
      I can always ask if a group buy would lower

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    19. rovermanWell-Known Member
      >> Answer yet for (5) billet cranks ?? Thanks, roverman.

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    20. rovermanWell-Known Member
      Re: SBB 350 stroker build, got billet crank ?


      dug through the quote and it was for a one off range of 2200-2500
      any stroke and bearing combo
      E4340 TIMKEN
      good for 1000+
      12-14 week turn around
      I can always ask if a group buy would lower
      >> Gor a quote for (5) cranks ? Thanks, roverman.:beer

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  2. Buick#455

    Buick#455 Well-Known Member

    Well????
     
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  3. Buick#455

    Buick#455 Well-Known Member

    Anyone.....Anyone.....Bueller????? Derek????
     
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  4. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Deep subject.....
     
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  5. Buick#455

    Buick#455 Well-Known Member

    Odd...... Derek was posting on the site Wednesday, but no reply....... Derek always has something to say. Wish he would step up to the plate and answer the question already.
     
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  6. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    Are you suggesting Derek is full of something? I can't imagine you guys having the audacity to even hint at something along those lines!........... My whole world just shattered.
     
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  7. Buick#455

    Buick#455 Well-Known Member

    Derek, Derek, Derek...... Come out wherever you are??
     
  8. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    Well it seems all these used pizza hut take out rods on evil day have gone up to $400
    Might as well buy the Molnar brandy new ones. No machining required, or expensive $140 Honda rod bearings.
     
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  9. 1972Mach1

    1972Mach1 Just some M.M.O.G. guy.....

    So THAT's my problem! I've been rolling into Chuck E Cheese and asking for used rods. Never have gotten what I was after.
     
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  10. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    ....And 8ad-f85 & Gary Farmer all gone..... Maybe all three are the same person?? Amazing.
     
  11. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Really Mart, really?!

    If I was fake, then who was it that did all that machine work to the rods(a sweet set of nascar take out rods I gave to you for free!) in your engine? And what about the $200 I saved you drilling out the 2 end rod journals of your crank? And what about all those tools of mine that you used for your build, not to mention my ball hone that was used to deglaze the cylinders on your block that I did the work for you with! And all the other help I gave you. I helped you for free and saved you $$$ from the other free work I did for you.

    I even brought my cherry picker over to your house because your POS didn't have a long enough boom to reach the center of your engine without removing your front bumper!:rolleyes: I then helped you remove your engine and showed you how to do it without taking your hood off!

    Do you think I actually wanted to go out in the mud and cold in February to look at that sbb 350 in the junkyard? I did it because that's how I am, if someone asks for help, I'll help them if I can. Even helped you tear the dam thing apart AND my friend Dave got the crank out of that seized POS(that I told you it would be seized) for you and as a favor to ME he didn't charge you anything to do it!

    Dude, WTF is your problem?! What in your twisted mind is making you call me out like this? I did NOTHING to you, yet it seems you keep harassing me here! If I had to put a price tag on what I did for you it would be over $2K, minus the cheap beer and crappy pizza you gave me so about $1,992 if the total was $2k exactly! And get this, I never got even a thanks for the help Derek, freaking nothing but bitching how much his build is costing! All that bitching about the cost and the DA spends the extra $45 for the Calico coating on the rod bearings he bitched about costing so much!:rolleyes: I told him that is not needed for his around 500 HP build that won't see over 7,500 RPM! Would totally be worth it for a 9,000 + RPM nascar engine that is 850 + HP though, but not so much for what he would get out of his sbb.

    I hate that I had to write any of this but what choice did you give me? YOU called me out, here I am, what the flock do you want? You have my phone number, you could of called me direct!:rolleyes:

    Do I need to come over your house to resolve this? What the flock is any of this anyway? I didn't do anything to you except text to you that you were bad ju ju! Whatever the flock ju ju is, maybe you know because that's what you wrote in one of your posts here to me, is why I texted it back to you?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    And what the flock do you want? I helped you a few years ago with your build too, helped you figure how to machine your rods to make them fit in your engine and a few other things as well. What do you want?




    Yep, you snooze you loose!:p:p

    I have a few sets, I can even do the machine work to them so they're ready to run if anyone interested?


    Man, a guy goes and gets surgery and take a few weeks off from here and all heck is breaking loose, WTF!?:eek::confused: You guys must of really missed me!:p
     
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  12. Buick#455

    Buick#455 Well-Known Member

    Just wondering where the flock the build is from 2014, the 1st post in this thread. Did it ever happen? Update????So Take a flocking pill for flock sakes.......
     
  13. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    What's your name, I want to call you out like that, or is that why you don't want anyone to know your name?

    Anyway, it went on hold for over 2 years when I had the time to do it, now its on hold waiting for when I can get to it. What, does everyone want my life story? Its not my engine or it would of been done years ago, I didn't put it on hold in the first place.

    So, no update and even when I do get to it there won't be an update for it. I get it now, that is why everyone building a unique sbb leaves here.:rolleyes::p:p

    I would of updated the thread when I got the chance to restart the project but blame it on Mart because he knew I couldn't get to it when he started this BS! What's your deal anyway Mart, why do you seem like you're but hurt? Thanks to ME your engine is running! So what's the deal?

    Besides I accidently deleted the first post and don't know how to get it back? Don't think I really care to now if I could anyway.:rolleyes:
     
  14. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    Isn't that the consensus on this 350 site, everyone talks but no one does it. I'm looking 455, at least they walk the walk and talk the talk. oooooohhhh.

    Mart you bad boy you.
     
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  15. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    There, he's back in full force:D.:D.:D

    Very very simple, I asked how Andy's stroker was coming along on this thread, and YOU deleted it and even texted me and threatened me to try and post something new now......there you go again, nothing more. :) wow....
     
  16. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    Happy Thursday! The good news is tmrw is Friday!
     
  17. gscalifornia

    gscalifornia Small blocks rule!!

    Don't know why everyone gets so worked up about what others are doing, but here's my plans. If the weather gets above zero this weekend I'm yanking the 350 out of my '69 and having it freshened up for Bowling Green. No fancy aluminum heads or intake, no fancy rods or pistons, just the same old basic engine that used to run mid 13s on street tires and a 3.23 gear. It was put together back in the Spring of '99 and has been flogged yearly since, three sets of rear tires and still the same fronts! Hope to race it for a few days at Beech Bend then drive the 900+ miles back to Duluth, MN

    Anyone else driving there small block to Bowling Green that wants to line 'em up I'll be there!
     
  18. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    You asked the question you already knew the answer too, YOU knew there were no updates!!! You even knew why and you insisted on being a DB! I thought you were a friend but I guess not.(friends like you, who needs enemies?)

    You try to be good to someone and help them out and see what you get!:rolleyes: Its not worth it, because of Mart if there is someone else local in need of engine help it won't be me to volunteer my time!

    I'm not laughing because you aren't even close to being funny. Anyone else might want to think twice to get close to Mart because he won't have your back but he won't think twice to stab you in the back!

    And this isn't the only time that he has been a DB to me here. The 5 other times he did this kind of crap to me here I asked him to please stop and I let it go, these last times was the straw that broke the Buick's back! Now that he has proven these attacks won't stop if I didn't do something gave me no choice but to speak out.

    To stop this BS, Mart is going on ignore because I have to deal with enough crap in my real life, I don't need to come here and deal with more! One back surgery down, 2 more to go is just a small peek of the sh!7 storm that is my life right now and I don't need this extra stress!
     
  19. Buick#455

    Buick#455 Well-Known Member

    Call me out for whatever you want..... was just looking for an update. Sorry about your health problems. I’ve had four neck surgeries in the last 8 years, so I get it, BUT you teed off when all I was looking for was an update because I was interested in the initial thread. Leave me out of the Derek & Mart sh*t show.....
     
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  20. Fox's Den

    Fox's Den 355Xrs

    Derek, take a chill big guy, I know you have big ideas but I got to tell ya we are lucky to even have the 'aluminum heads and look, now a SP3 intake and we have been waiting for these parts for a long time now. But I got to tell ya all the craziness about stroking and Honda bearings nascar take out rods and such hardly anyone is going to try this route unless they have some cash and a motor or two in case something happens.

    there are enough parts now to build a really good strong 350, heck I wish I had all this when I built my motor damn thing would have 500hp and be radical as all get out. And hit 10's on that nitrous. I only need to knock off .82 sec now to go 10.99

    How about giving people what they want and that is some good ideas on what we now have available. No crazy stupidcrap.

    Heck, I have gotten into the 11's with my motor on nitrous and that 125 shot is not really that big. Someone should be able to surpass that easily with a hot 350 and a small amount of juice.

    You guys want to Procharge or Turbo go ahead, but I have seen a lot of guys burn up their motors because that tune was not quite right, and if you are not sure of what you are doing and have to ask all the time, well you should go get a book and get more knowledge on these systems.

    Putting around town and stepping on the gas downs not get it, go out and stomp on it and run it up to a Buck 10 and let me know how you feel then, and if it goes sideways grab second and stay in it, get the sh*t out of your drawers and stay in it wussies. lol

    I did a lot of reading before I put that nitrous kit on and I still managed to burn up two plugs trying to go with a 150 shot using the standard TA intake. I have not tried to go past my current 75 shot since I feel a 12.31 Q mile is pretty good on my old motor.

    So forget this stroker garbage and go a different route it ain't going to do a darn thing for the motor but cost you more money and what if you blow it up then what.

    But like they say, different strokes for different folks....

    G out.
     
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