Bill and Jim, "I aasume that cast color may be the basis for one of his deductions." "Do we assume that even with some debate based on how some contend their original cars looked (without tailpipe paint) that the concours' Gardner exhaust package as delivered will result in a deduction unless the tail pipes are painted black from the rear axles housing to the outlet tip?" The answers are No and No. As stated previously, we have no knowledge that the rear swaybars, or tailpipes were all painted black from the factory. That is why we ALLOW ranges of colors/gloss for specific parts, AND why we do not take any points deductions off of parts that could have come with different finishes. Duane PS. Guys, this is not a game to see who's car is better then the other guys. It is a study to see how close we can make our cars look like the way they were when they rolled out of the showroom. That's it, nothing more. A Gold Concours winner means that the car has earned between 400-385 points, and in my eyes they are all the same. Period.