Rearend and chassis colors?

Discussion in 'Chassis restoration' started by Golden Oldie 65, Mar 23, 2006.

  1. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    I am restoring a `70 GSX for the concours class and would like to know about the colors on the rearend housing and some of the other chassis parts. Everything I've done in the past I have painted semi-gloss black like the frame and control arms, then painted the rear sway bar with cast blast. Lately I've seen some cars that were done with cast paint on the center section and bare steel colors on the tubes and mountings, indicating the rearend assembly was not painted from the factory, and had a black cover. This is my first Buick restoration and it seems like the GM A-body cars would follow the same pattern, but maybe not? I've done a lot of GTO's and Chevelles and never got docked any points for the black, but I really want to be 100% correct with this car since it is an 84,000 mile original, completely numbers matching car. I have found black paint on the front sway bar but nothing on anything else. Can anyone help with this, or who can I contact about it? Need colors for rearend housing, cover, and front and rear sway bars. Also, did the GSX come originally with spiral shocks? Thanks in advance.

    Bill
     
  2. flynbuick

    flynbuick Super Moderator Staff Member

    Check the archieves. There are a lot of pics for the chassis resto. There was a look of debate over the shocks and the way it shook out from the judges is that the spirals were phased out with the mid year changes of the GS cars ( December 69) . Since all but Brads X were made beginning February 70 the answer is no on the spirals.
     
  3. GStage1

    GStage1 Always looking for parts!

    Bill,
    I always paint the rear axles like the one below. We had several discussion here on painting them all black and seems there was some plants that did so but.......I think Flint painted them this way. Jim Lore and Duane can correct me if I am wrong.
     
  4. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    Done this way would indicate that the tubes were already painted before they were pressed and welded into the center section. Either that or there had to have been some masking done on one or the other. I doubt if the factory would take the time to mask anything, so can anyone verify if the tubes were painted before being welded in? Do the concours judges accept it this way? Thanks. Any ideas on the sway bars?

    Bill
     
  5. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    The car was built in Flint, 3rd week of April, so this does rule out the spiral shocks. Maybe the car actually had the original shocks on it, too. Thanks.

    Bill
     
  6. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    I contend the sway bars should be semi gloss black. I have also heard from many sources that the rear end housing should be black in the back facing the rear and the front half was unpainted and not very neat. I also think the rear end should be a fairly glossy black. I will be painting mine all black for lifelong protection.
     
  7. Duane

    Duane Member

    Guys,
    We go through this debate all the time, but here we go one more time.

    The rears were painted black. Some appear to be almost completely painted while others seemed to be painted only on the rearward facing areas. Some years/copies of the Buick assembly manuals even state that the frame/rears/sway bars, etc. were painted/touched up after they were assembled as a chassis. This has been verified to be true, for at least a few examples, where only the lower rearward facing areas of original shocks received black paint, while the rest of the shocks were all gray. This would mean they were painted black after they were assembled. There was also not much consideration given as to how they were painted (black), due to the runs in the black paint. (The examples I know of, that were painted like this, were 1970 and 1971 Fremont and Flint cars.)

    At this point the changeover between spirals to pliacells has been narrowed done to,
    spirals-till 1970 body build date (01D)
    changeover (01D to 03A)
    Pliacells after 1970 body build date (03A)

    So If you had an early built GSX it could have had spirals.
    Duane
     
  8. GStage1

    GStage1 Always looking for parts!

    I knew Duane would step-in. We should change his unofficial nickname from Buick Apostle to Buick Referee

    The rear you see in my pic is from a 49k original 72 Skylark 4dr I stripped last May. I must have gone through 15-20 rears, 8.5" , all from FL cars, and have never found any center section painted black or attemped to be painted black. The axle tubes on this car were painted black but the paint stopped about 4-6" from where the tube enters the pumpkin.
     
  9. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    This certainly explains (and confirms) what Duane said about them being painted/touched up after they were assembled. I once saw an example of this on a GTO where they painted everything steel gray and then oversprayed it with black. I don't like that at all. I want the car to be correct but I have no intention of duplicating crappy factory workmanship. Thanks.

    Bill
     
  10. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    At this point I feel I should ask what standards are excepted in the concours class? Should everything be painted black (bolts, brackets, etc.), or can it just be done to be pretty, incorporating various black, cast blast and steel gray colors? These cars look super nice with all the detail done underneath them, but is it generally accepted this way or do they require you to follow a certain theme? I don't mind being accused of having the car "over-restored". Heck, we all know that most of them are. I just don't want to lose points for making it prettier than the factory did. I have found some green paint dabs on the front spindles but no evidence of any black paint ever having been on them. Thank you.


    Bill
     
  11. flynbuick

    flynbuick Super Moderator Staff Member

    Bill when are you going to be ready to show?

    The reason I ask is that several completely done cars are going to be on display at the Buick events this year. I will have a concours' 4 speed, stage 1 GSX QQ ready for Indy in June myself. I will not be ready in time for BG. Others will have cars too. There is no sustitute for seeing one in person. We compliled a list of finishes by part that is posted on this site by Ken Lisk who is doing a 71 GSX.
     
  12. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    The car won't be ready for any shows this year, or if so it will be late this year. I am currently doing the chassis which is why I was asking about the colors right now. I will be going to Bowling Green but I had hoped to have the chassis done before then so that will be too late, unless, of course, I work on something else until then. I'll give that some thought. Anyway, you're absolutely right about seeing the cars in person. I hope to be able to visit with some of the concours judges and participants there if they have time. I have a lot of questions but I do realize that they will have a busy weekend and I don't want to be a bother. That's what I like about these boards, we can post at our leasure. Also the fact that if anyone needs to know anything about Buicks, this is the place to ask. I sure do thanks you guys for that.

    Bill
     
  13. pooods

    pooods Well-Known Member

    I have read where most GM A-Bodies went through similar building sequences. This must not be true at all. I have done a bunch of studying on the 70 Olds I am currently doing. Some old lit. stated some rearend housings on the Olds were gloss black. I saw different opinions, but went with the one where the sway bars were cast color. Also, I read where the driveline was unpainted. Anyone know what color stripes to put on the 70 W-31 driveline? I just can't seem to find that one.
     
  14. Duane

    Duane Member

    Bill,
    You can do a search and check through some of the earlier discussions about this. They should give you the info you are looking for.

    As for the rear axle painting, I have a theory about that. If you look through the assembly manuals, it states that if you had rally wheels, then the outward facing surfaces of the rotors/rear drums were to be painted black, and it was supposed to be "good for 30 minutes without changing color"

    That way the car would look good while it sat on the lot and through all the test drives. After that it didn't matter, because the car would have been sold. You have to remember that GM is in the business to sell cars, not build museum pieces.

    I believe the same thing applied to the rear painting. Some were only painted enough to look "good" until they were sold. It would also explain why the majority of the "pumpkin" paint went away so fast.
    Duane
     
  15. buicklawyer

    buicklawyer Well-Known Member

    This is what this site is all about. Duane and you restorers helping someone without being critical of each other. Hell paint the pumkin-- Halloween will be here soon. BTW I am back in the Buick Business again . Thanks Duane , George, Jim and the others. John
     
  16. buicklawyer

    buicklawyer Well-Known Member

    Gene Wray can help you on the W-31 PM me and I will give you his email address. I can't remember and I don't have photos of the drive line on the car but I believe it to be gray with a stripe ( green maybe) but I am not sure. JEA Jr.
     
  17. flynbuick

    flynbuick Super Moderator Staff Member

    Bill

    Duane and Brad on here are two of the concours' judges. They usually do BG but I think they said they are swaping to do the Indy Buick Horsepower Nationals this year in June. I am going to have a Hospitality tent for some cars including a fresh X that has been in resto for a couple of years. I am hoping to persuade Brad and Duane to conduct some show and tell about the finer points of an X resto using my car as the guinea pig. I attended such an event Duane did with the GSXtacy car in BG several years ago and it was very informative. I have tried to learn what I can since then and produce a 4 speed X car that nice and hopefully even more correct. But that remains to be seen as the proof is in the quality of the resto lies in in the final product.
     
  18. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley Super Moderator Staff Member

    Jim,

    You are correct, neither Duane nor I will be in BG this year but we will be in Indy and Salem. Neither of us minds answering questions concerning the "correctness" of a restoration, as you know, and welcome those questions.

    If we don't know the answer, we'll make one up! (just kidding...) :Smarty: :Dou: :Do No:
     
  19. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    I have never seen a driveshaft that has been painted so I paint them steel gray. I'm glad you brought up the application stripes because I am going to need that info as well. Every car I have seen have the stripes masked and painted on. The only original set of paint stripes I ever found were on a `69 375hp Chevelle and they looked like they were put on with a brush while the driveshaft was turning. Correct :Do No: My best guess was that it was done while balancing the shaft. This car is a Stage 1, 4 speed, QQ, A/C and (here's an oddball) no power steering. The car had PS on it but I was told it was installed later. I was skeptical about this but I found the broadcast sheet under the passenger side carpet and sure enough, no PS. Good thing it's going to be a show car. :)

    Bill
     
  20. Golden Oldie 65

    Golden Oldie 65 Well-Known Member

    I'm sure glad to hear that you welcome all these questions because I will be sending plenty of them. Thanks.

    Bill
     

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